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Windows Thread, Government pays MS to keep XP going for another year in Technical; Our school, has no money, We had to beg, borrow and steal to get money for a new server! Our ...
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    Our school, has no money,

    We had to beg, borrow and steal to get money for a new server!

    Our main office and staff laptops all run Win 7 as the equipment could run it but our classroom laptops cannot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael View Post
    Well whoever runs these systems should be sacked... this has been in the public domain for years now and now they're going to rush through upgrades in 12 months. Brilliant plan!
    I agree that it is something that should be adequately planned, though I expect with government theres little homogenisation of the process or departments, everyone goes it alone ill wager.

    We had the planning down at our school and testing, though its not a straightforward process upgrading, though it was a bit of a revolutioniser as well with 7, even though they do stuff fairly differently which we found out as a school when we went 7, there was a knock on effect that we had to spend further money to upgrade some older software to make it compatible (Sibelius and SuccessMaker were two major products that had to be upgraded).

    I cant imagine doing it on a country wide level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiza View Post
    In my defence - I only joined the school 18 months ago. No NM in place before that ever! For the last 18 months have said we need to replace and upgrade. Did all the desktop upgrades to 7 but no money for renewing laptops (as current ones wont run 7) but we cant do without the laptops so hence we are stuck on XP until money becomes available.
    @fiza - sounds like you've been dropped in it :-0. I'm sure you are up to the task of preventing it happening again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiza View Post
    In my defence - I only joined the school 18 months ago. No NM in place before that ever! For the last 18 months have said we need to replace and upgrade. Did all the desktop upgrades to 7 but no money for renewing laptops (as current ones wont run 7) but we cant do without the laptops so hence we are stuck on XP until money becomes available.
    Inform management that because of the security risks of running Windows XP on these laptops after the 8th of April that you will need to install Ubuntu on them until they can be replaced. Make them aware of the problems this may cause in accessing some service or the learning curve that may be required for students, etc. It may turn out some money magically appears; or, at least you don't have a zero day threat waiting to blow up in your face (which it probably will because XP is going to be the big malware target now since it will be a sitting duck with a large swath of machines still using it).

    Unless you can access these updates the govt is paying MS for. If you can do that, then you have some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiza View Post
    How do schools get these updates after April 8th?
    This is the only useful comment on the entire post. I wish there was an answer.

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    So in a nutshell, unless you have an expensive contract which is likely more than windows 7 licenses (a guess!)...... fill in the rest.

    At this particular moment in time I would not allow any machine running XP to connect to the internet if it also accesses mission critical data. MIS and soforth. I can't see an excuse for not planning for that.
    Last edited by synaesthesia; 10th April 2014 at 12:09 PM.

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    IIRC, when NT4.0 bit the dust there were still a LOT of govts and companies who paid Microsoft for support after mainstream support ended.
    If you have specialist software and hardware it is often eityher very hard, or in sopme cases impossible to run a new OS on these. How many here have CNC machines or other older hardware being driven by a legacy Microsoft OS?
    We had a CD duplicator way back whoes manufacturer basically turned around and said that if we wanted it to work beyond XP (this was after Vista hit the shelves) we should look at buying a newer duplicator.
    Whilst there is nothing wrong with needing paid for support for special purposes, needing it for plain old office desktops is very bad planning.

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    Can't decide if we're saying some schools might have financial planning problem (ironic I know), or they are just plan hoarding - ie they aren't throwing away computers when they replace them so their estate is larger then what it should be\can afford to maintain.

    Has anyone actually got at the updates yet out of interest? Doesn't seem to be well planned to say the least.

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    It says you don't need a Premier support contract if you have less than 250 devices running XP. That will be the majority of schools - as there are more small schools than large.

    Quote Originally Posted by matt40k View Post
    Can't decide if we're saying some schools might have financial planning problem (ironic I know), or they are just plan hoarding - ie they aren't throwing away computers when they replace them so their estate is larger then what it should be\can afford to maintain..
    The latter of those 2 options is pretty common. Here for example, I have not disposed of a working machine in all my time here. I have instead turned them into thin clients.
    Last edited by localzuk; 10th April 2014 at 12:21 PM.

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    I've got a request at Microsoft about this to fine out what is supported and where it is covered - when I know more I'll share what i can.

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    That's fair enough for small schools, I was just thinking for the larger ones that haven't shifted.

    I don't see why many CNC machines would need internet access therefore shouldn't be an issue. We certainly still have some, running on XP via parallel ports.

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    It totally amazed me yesterday to visit a customer services desk in a Sainsbury's store and find they subsequently carried out my product look up request on a XP driven donkey slow PC!

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    Quote Originally Posted by synaesthesia View Post
    I don't see why many CNC machines would need internet access therefore shouldn't be an issue. We certainly still have some, running on XP via parallel ports.
    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Here for example, I have not disposed of a working machine in all my time here. I have instead turned them into thin clients.
    I think the key difference here is you guys are recycling them, your not moving it - your not taking a machine from the office which was heavily used and putting it in the staff room so it could be lightly used.

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    To me there's more to it than just is Windows XP still supported. Does this include IE8, how does that then effect Office 365 and cloud services where IE8 is the highest you can install but more and more of office 365 is HTML5. As a supplier, do we now need to support our code in Office 365 for IE8 when 365 doesn't support XP etc.

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