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    Re: Downsides of pupils not having profile (man or roaming)

    Heres my setup:-

    I've created a users profile as I wanted. Make sure all the windows and office settings are correct. I did this on a machine thats not in the domain.
    Copied the folder from "c:\documents and settings" for the user I just setup onto the network.
    I made a folder in netlogon called profiles.

    Put this script into your machines startup script.(GPO)

    NET USE X: \\server\netlogon /persistent:no
    x:\delprof.exe /q /i
    x:\robocopy.exe x:\Profiles\Standard\ "c:\documents and settings\Default User" /MIR
    net use /delete * /y


    Make sure delprof and robocopy are in the netlogon folder.

    If you have a lot of profiles on the c drive, the first time you run this the machine will stick at running startup scripts for ages.
    Any changes you need to make to the user profile only has to be copied to one place. The machine will copy any changes when it reboots.
    There should be very little network traffic as robocopy is only checking for changes and the user aren't pulling down their profile when they log on.

    I use folder redirection for the desktop, start menu and home drives.

    This was posted by someone else, i've just tweaked it a bit.

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    Re: Downsides of pupils not having profile (man or roaming)

    And another vote for GPO's and redirection.

    Works very well indeed!

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    Re: Downsides of pupils not having profile (man or roaming)

    How do you manage settings for programs like Office (stop the initial start up questions) IE7 (same) Media player 11 (same) and other programs that store settings in the profile? Our mandatory profile we use at the moment has all these programmed into it, so we can't move away from it while this is the case.

    I would really like to speed up our students login time, as at the moment it is around 50-60 seconds which according to staff is too slow! It's also a lot slower over the wireless system as it takes a while to copy the mandatory profile down each time.

    What does everyone else do for these type of settings?

    Mike.

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    Re: Downsides of pupils not having profile (man or roaming)

    @andyrite

    I like the look of your method

    Copied the folder from "c:\documents and settings" for the user I just setup onto the network.
    How copied - simple copy/ xcopy/ robocopy?

    Do you change any permissions?

    regards

    Simon

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    Re: Downsides of pupils not having profile (man or roaming)

    I've got a machine setup thats got all the software installed but not joined to the domain. I created a local user and setup the machine as i wanted. Then logout and login as the local administrator. You then should be able to copy the users profile out of the "c:\documents and settings folder". I renamed it to standard and copied it to the profile directory on the network.

    I didn't change any permissions. With Ranger the logon times are about 30secs on a fast machine.

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    Re: Downsides of pupils not having profile (man or roaming)

    If you use profiles (Mandatory or Roaming) how do you deal with issues like different versions of Office in different suites?

    I've ended up setting up the local default user profile ready configured with Office2000/XP/2003/etc. depending on what version is on that image.

    Sometimes combined with delprof to keep the numbers of profiles on a computer down.

    Also maybe of interest is putting a default user profile into the netlogon share on the server. The local computer looks there before looking at the local default user profile if a manadatory/roaming profile isn't specified.

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    Re: Downsides of pupils not having profile (man or roaming)

    The reason I haven't put the default user on the netlogon share is network traffic. It is much quicker to pull the default from the local drive than the network.
    Using robocopy it only copies the file if it's changed.

    I'm running office 2003 all over so i don't have that issue. You could create a few more OU's with different startup scripts pulling the correct profile from the network. Then just stick the correct machines in the right OU.

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    Re: Downsides of pupils not having profile (man or roaming)

    The only obvious downside is personal "Favourites" but there are many ways to resolve this and I usually write VBScript to deal with this via GPO at logon and logoff.

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    Re: Downsides of pupils not having profile (man or roaming)

    Surely with local profiles you get hard disks filling up with all the individual profiles stored on there??

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    Re: Downsides of pupils not having profile (man or roaming)

    Quote Originally Posted by mark
    Surely with local profiles you get hard disks filling up with all the individual profiles stored on there??
    Own up…. who mentioned that terrifying phrase “local profiles!” that would be just insane….. or dare I say it suicidal!

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    Re: Downsides of pupils not having profile (man or roaming)

    Quote Originally Posted by djm968
    Quote Originally Posted by mark
    Surely with local profiles you get hard disks filling up with all the individual profiles stored on there??
    Own up…. who mentioned that terrifying phrase “local profiles!” that would be just insane….. or dare I say it suicidal!
    Some people would say that about roaming profiles!

    You can use folder redirection for the favorites folder. I've just stuck a favorites folder in there home drive.

    Delprof deletes the profiles off the disc when the pc boots up.

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    Re: Downsides of pupils not having profile (man or roaming)

    Quote Originally Posted by andyrite
    Some people would say that about roaming profiles!
    Quite right.... that's why I would never recommend implementing them.

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    Re: Downsides of pupils not having profile (man or roaming)

    Quote Originally Posted by mark
    Surely with local profiles you get hard disks filling up with all the individual profiles stored on there??
    Not really. Delprof will delete them when instigated via a logoff script and folder re-direction places everything firmly in their user areas.

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    Re: Downsides of pupils not having profile (man or roaming)

    Well I suppose the application data makes up the bulk of it, and that's easily re-directed. What makes my staff logins slow though, is the first login to a machine, all that local data being created. So presumably that's the effect with local profiles vs mandatory - the long wait???

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    Re: Downsides of pupils not having profile (man or roaming)

    Quote Originally Posted by mark
    For kids a vanilla profile means a different setup on every PC they visit. Surely a bad thing.
    It's the way I do it, generally the desktops are similar (we force down a desktop picture so it at least looks similar).

    Applications vary on each desktop but generally will be MS office + a few basic standard apps.

    my documents is redirected


    Fact is, in real life and in organisations they'll find different desktops and setups where ever they work.

    Major downside - it can eat up HDD space, especially on older Dells with Windows 2000.

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