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    Apple Help

    Hi

    We are a PC School with 600 PC's and 9 Windows 2003 Servers..

    My Boss likes the RM One and Viglen Omnipro Style PC and we have a few of those areund the site..

    But now my Boss is being corrupted to the darkside and has been around to some Apple lovers home and likes the all in one style of the I-Mac..

    And now with the Dual Boot I can't say that or programs won't run on it...

    We have invested in Ranger and use it for the security of the network...

    And have no Apples onsite..

    Can Members please give me constructive arguements on why we shouldn't want Apples.. as I really do not need Apples in my life

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    Re: Apple Help

    There's nothing wrong with Macs per say. However you can make constructive arguments for refusing them in school based on added support costs and lack of skills.

    Do be aware that you can lock them down (if you purchase Mac OSX server) and they are a worthwhile addition to a school IMHO. There's nothing wrong with a bit of diversity.

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    Re: Apple Help

    Quote Originally Posted by Grommit
    Hi

    We are a PC School with 600 PC's and 9 Windows 2003 Servers..

    My Boss likes the RM One and Viglen Omnipro Style PC and we have a few of those areund the site..

    But now my Boss is being corrupted to the darkside and has been around to some Apple lovers home and likes the all in one style of the I-Mac..

    And now with the Dual Boot I can't say that or programs won't run on it...

    We have invested in Ranger and use it for the security of the network...

    And have no Apples onsite..

    Can Members please give me constructive arguements on why we shouldn't want Apples.. as I really do not need Apples in my life
    Unless your institution is doing multimedia/graphic design courses then I don't see the point in having them. I'd go outside and slit your wrists now if I were you ;-)

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    Re: Apple Help

    I'm a huge mac fan, and for design/video/sound production they're amazing, but like tech_guy said, unless you're doing that kind of thing they're probably not worth the aggro.

    You'll need an osx server to get the best from them - and replacing drives, etc in an iMac is a total pain.

    As Geoff has said - if you can get a machine with osx server on it and have them running locked down they're not a network issue - but it needs proper research and implementation

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    Re: Apple Help

    Initial purchase cost, too - you can usually get double the amount of PCs for the same price you get macs.

    Also is there a valid reason for the macs other than "they're pretty"?

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    Re: Apple Help

    My arguement would be thats its effectively (nearly) doubling your workload and cost;

    Double the software deployment methods/and cost
    Double the OS deployment/and cost
    Double the backup device costs and setup/use
    Etc

    Not to mention, as has already been said, the initial cost will be crippling compared to what you could get PC wise.

    Plus with the dual boot arguement you've just doubled your OS and software costs per machine.



    If your network is already ALL macs then yeah macs are fine, otherwise im yet to hear a good arguement for them.

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    Re: Apple Help

    If you have ZERO investment in mac kit then the double costs argument would be the right angle.

    One of the great advantages of having a multi platform network is it gives kids the skills to use a computer and not a GCSE in XP + Office 2003.

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    Re: Apple Help

    You can have a multi-platform network at no cost if you use Linux or BSD. You don't need to overdose on apples to provide tranferable skills.

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    Re: Apple Help

    Webman. You broke the site. Hang you head in shame for your glib posts and satanic sig.

    *we are basing this assumption on the fact that you were the last one to post before it died.

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    Re: Apple Help

    Quote Originally Posted by j17sparky
    My arguement would be thats its effectively (nearly) doubling your workload and cost;

    Double the software deployment methods/and cost
    Double the OS deployment/and cost
    Double the backup device costs and setup/use
    Etc

    Not to mention, as has already been said, the initial cost will be crippling compared to what you could get PC wise.

    Plus with the dual boot arguement you've just doubled your OS and software costs per machine.



    If your network is already ALL macs then yeah macs are fine, otherwise im yet to hear a good arguement for them.
    I'm sorry but most of that simply isn't true.

    Whilst the argument still prevails from techies (usually because they don't understand Mac OS X) that it is "only for design shops" or "not for the enterprise" or even "more expensive and harder to support" alternatives to Windows will not gain ground. And that's the same for Linux too. It simply isn't true. The only basis for an argument you really have is that to dual boot your licensing costs will go up. Storage is not an issue if you invest in some kind of NAS device, and the point about doubling software deployment methods/costs is really a mute one. How many times have you had to jump through tiny hoops to get software running on your Windows network?

    I haven't had to worry about software deployment on OS X since getting ARD. Period. And if I want to I can create MetaPackages and get them out or I can put them into an image. Same as I would using Prism and Ghost together.

    And how long does it take you to set up a backup device???



    :?

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    Re: Apple Help

    Wasn't me. Someone stole my password. I have allabys!! :P ops:

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    Re: Apple Help

    Quote Originally Posted by webman
    Wasn't me. Someone stole my password. I have allabys!! :P ops:
    Lol, come on Craig, we all know you are a l33t h4x0r by night, innocent techie by day

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    Re: Apple Help

    That's as maybe but I would never intentionally hurt the beloved EduGeek

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    We mustn't hurt the precious .... gollum, gollum

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    Re: Apple Help

    I would have to disagree with those that are saying hardware costs are higher with Apple.

    If you compare an iMac with the cheapest 'guy-down-the-road' computer then there is a big difference in cost but comparing them with a PC of similarly high build quality from a tier-one supplier such as HP, there is simply not the massive price difference you elude to. If you factor in software comparable to iLife you are unlikely to beat the price too!

    I admit that Apple computers do seem to develop random problems which don't have common sense fixes and you will also have to learn a new skillset but IMHO this should not prevent you from buying them if they are the most suitable choice for a job - music and multimedia being the obvious choices.

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