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    Windows Vista Licence worries

    Seen some quiet interesting stuff about the retail licence, which I've blogged about here. Long story short, if you purchase a retail licence, you can only move it once from one system to another once, and thats your lot. And keep in mind that Microsoft's de-facto definition of 'system' is 'motherboard'.

    I wonder if we'll see anything similar in the campus / select agreements. They can't be serious surely?

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    Re: Windows Vista Licence worries

    And keep in mind that Microsoft's de-facto definition of 'system' is 'motherboard'
    minus that though if it dies

    I don't see that changing in select agreements particularly, as they will already be keeping check of things with this WGA type system that will be needed with VLK licensing too

    Nath.

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    Re: Windows Vista Licence worries

    You should probably read this article to clear up any misunderstandings about the Vista EULA.

    http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase..._licensing.asp

    I wonder if we'll see anything similar in the campus / select agreements
    Yes, Vista Enterprise (mentioned above).

    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...nterprise.mspx

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    Re: Windows Vista Licence worries

    doh doh doh and thrice doh...

    you beat me to the linky[s] again

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    Re: Windows Vista Licence worries

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff
    You should probably read this article to clear up any misunderstandings about the Vista EULA.

    http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase..._licensing.asp
    Well as Mr Thurrot has been full of it in the past on various issues, I don't trust his opinion as fact any more than I trust my own opinion or anyone else's. He isn't an authority on the subject is what I mean to say.

    I don't know anyone who mis-undestood the intent of the XP licence in the way they talk about there but a lot of people seem to misunderstand the new terms to mean what they actually say.

    Yes, Vista Enterprise (mentioned above).

    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...nterprise.mspx
    I need to find the time to read the EULA for that sometime. I simply don't trust Microsoft when it comes to licence issues. Do you?

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    Re: Windows Vista Licence worries

    I don't have to, I'm sat infront of a Linux machine.

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    Re: Windows Vista Licence worries

    Well that'll work.
    I'd rather be using a Mac myself but its all good.

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    Re: Windows Vista Licence worries

    Basically the new Vista VLK licencing is going to work a bit like Sibelius Network Licencing does in a way (if anyone has used Sibelius Networked Edition they will know what I am meaning)

    But basically you will have a master server or two, three etc that will be on the interweb, and you clients will have to check in with it every so often to confirm that you are still licenced to use it and keep it open, if it fails, it will retry for a set number of days, and if it still fails, it will go into Lock Down mode. I have not had info on how this will work with Laptops as a lot of my laptop don't see the network ever as they are used mainly at home by staff for continuation of work brought home on memory sticks, CD etc.... so I don't know how that will work. Its designed to help you keep tabs on your number of licences you have, and will in some cases save you money as you won't be over purchasing, but in others it will cost you more as you will then have it in black and white how many you are using etc..

    Me for one am not keen on the idea at all, its just activation for corperate customers

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    Re: Windows Vista Licence worries

    Time to move to a complete Linux or Mac system then!

    Wes

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    Re: Windows Vista Licence worries

    Quote Originally Posted by wesleyw
    Time to move to a complete Linux or Mac system then!
    If only educational software was compatible

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    Re: Windows Vista Licence worries

    Ironically I find some of the 'older' software which doesn't behave so well under WinXP works just fine under Wine.

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    Re: Windows Vista Licence worries

    Quote Originally Posted by webman
    Quote Originally Posted by wesleyw
    Time to move to a complete Linux or Mac system then!
    If only educational software was compatible
    But that's a question you'll need to ask yourself about Vista as well. If you upgrade in the expectation that the 14 year old bit of software your maths department purchased from "Dogs barking in the background whenever you phone up the cottage in Wales for support" software LTD, and which was widely regarded as awkward to set up in its prime will work just fine with Vista, you'll be disappointed.

    As Geoff notes, you may well get better results on a Mac or Linux with WINE.

    Quote Originally Posted by John
    Its designed to help you keep tabs on your number of licences you have, and will in some cases save you money as you won't be over purchasing, but in others it will cost you more as you will then have it in black and white how many you are using etc.
    Of course, anything that helps you to ensure that you have the correct amount of licences is a good thing, no matter what the result to your bottom line. It's one thing to decide you don't like the terms of use for a piece of software and take your business elsewhere, but obviously if you decide to use an item of software then you need to ensure you have paid the correct amount to do so.

    Actually I know we're all well aware of that, and its usually teaching staff and managers who seem to think paying for software is an interesting optional thing to do occasionally, so this will help you explain to others that no, you "can't just" and that people really should take things seriously.

    On a slightly different note, it seems I'm not the only one that thinks Mr Thurrot talks out of where WGA was designed either..

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    Re: Windows Vista Licence worries

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff
    You should probably read this article to clear up any misunderstandings about the Vista EULA.

    http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase..._licensing.asp
    Rebuttal by ZDNet.

    http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=158

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    Re: Windows Vista Licence worries

    Post Mortem on the whole debate by ArsTechnica.

    http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061017-8008.html

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    Re: Windows Vista Licence worries

    Update on the Volume Licence Activation!

    MS Have now published the Whitepaper on this and boy oh boy is it getting complex for us Volume Users!

    Basically we now have 2 schemes to enter, the one I mentioend earlier where you have a licence server on your system which the clients check in with and it "phones home" as it were, or you can request specific product keys like OEM ones which will activate multiple times designed for 25 or less machines or machines which won't see the licence server for more than 180 days (it also says 210 in the MS blurb because you have 30 days grace from day 180 to get on the system again). Best thing for early deployers is you have to use Option 2 IE the individual phoneing home product keys as the new licence server is only for LH server at present, and the Server 2003 one is not due until Spring 2007, so well done MS you give us the software for Christmas but don't give us everything we need until Easter. Well Done, have a gold sticker for it

    http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...otectionWP.doc is the whitepaper on the Windows Software Protection Platform for Vista and LH Server, its also good to note that they are going to put this in many MS applications as well so it will not stop here!

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