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    http://boards.fool.co.uk/free-intern...t-6559604.aspx

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    Hang on 2001. 12 years ago!

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    Quote Originally Posted by alttab View Post
    for which you need windows 8, which is just as bad if your not a fan of the nonsense. I've seen one suggestion of publishing various admin tools as remoteapps, and then accessing them from the start menu of a windows 7 host, but it's just more minutes wasted when all your trying to do is be productive from the get-go.
    Windows 7 RSAT tools work. as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FN-GM View Post
    Windows 7 RSAT tools work. as well.
    right, so how does that work with administering the new features in windows 2012 ? Which is presumably the main reason for having windows 2012 instances over tried
    and tested windows 2008 R2.

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    The idea behind a GUIless OS or Server Core is to reduce the attack surface - however, that's not to say you couldn't in theory hack Server 2012 and run PowerShell commands against it or more to the point re-enable the GUI. I think most schools will still run Server 2012 with a GUI, however for web applications it would be better to use Server Core.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael View Post
    The idea behind a GUIless OS or Server Core is to reduce the attack surface - however, that's not to say you couldn't in theory hack Server 2012 and run PowerShell commands against it or more to the point re-enable the GUI. I think most schools will still run Server 2012 with a GUI, however for web applications it would be better to use Server Core.
    there is something to be said for being able to fix a problem on a windows server with just an rdp client.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConradJones View Post
    there is something to be said for being able to fix a problem on a windows server with just an rdp client.
    You can still RDP into the server without a GUI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FN-GM View Post
    You can still RDP into the server without a GUI.
    no rsat tools tho, all powershell or cmd-line i wouldn't mind it if Microsoft had any idea of how to be consistent throughout their different divisions, so you could make an educated guess at the cmd and/or the parameters you need to run.

    99% of nix commands at least respond to --help
    in fact 99% compile and install from source with ./configure && make install

    i don't understand how microsoft as one company can be so inconsistent in comparison to 1000s of projects all created and worked on by unconnected people.

    sorry for the rant...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConradJones View Post
    no rsat tools tho, all powershell or cmd-line i wouldn't mind it if Microsoft had any idea of how to be consistent throughout their different divisions, so you could make an educated guess at the cmd and/or the parameters you need to run.

    99% of nix commands at least respond to --help
    in fact 99% compile and install from source with ./configure && make install

    i don't understand how microsoft as one company can be so inconsistent in comparison to 1000s of projects all created and worked on by unconnected people.

    sorry for the rant...
    Use the RSAT tools from your desktop. I hard ever log into a server. I personally dont understand why people always log into the server to perform basic tasks instead of using remote consoles.

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    because they may be in an emergency, where some toby thought it was funny to put windows 3.11 on their desktop. or they might not be at their desk,

    I wasn't suggesting it for day to day management.

    RDP is hideously insecure, cain does a excellent job of sniffing password given microsofts encryption choices.
    Last edited by ConradJones; 3rd June 2013 at 10:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConradJones View Post
    99% of nix commands at least respond to --help
    100% of Microsoft's PowerShell cmdlets respond to Get-Help and like the man pages for various unix utilities there are examples showing you how to use the commands.

    Quote Originally Posted by ConradJones View Post
    RDP is hideously insecure
    So is VNC.

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    powershell is horrible, typical microsoft over-complication.

    hmmm vnc? i'd rather use rdp on via a different vlan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConradJones View Post
    powershell is horrible, typical microsoft over-complication.

    hmmm vnc? i'd rather use rdp on via a different vlan.
    Im a fan of powershell. I can do a 35 line VBS script in one line with powershell

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConradJones View Post
    PowerShell is horrible
    I find PowerShell quite easy to understand actually. Once you have learnt the basics all of the cmdlets work the same way and unlike with *nix you don't have the hassle of manipulating text all the time.

    @FN-GM is right! VBScript is absolutely ghastly. Everything is just so long-winded. Even simple scripts require you to write the equivalent of an essays worth of code.

    Quote Originally Posted by ConradJones View Post
    typical microsoft over-complication.
    The same could be said about 'sed' and 'grep' due to the reliance on regular expressions...

    Some people, when confronted with a problem, think "I know, I'll use regular expressions." Now they have two problems. (Source)

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    Server 2012's GUI is horrible. I cannot get used to it.

    My theory is that they are making the GUI as awful as they can to make everyone use Server Core so that everyone has to retrain and they can make loads more money on the certification path.

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