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Windows Server 2012 Thread, Data De-duplication in Technical; Anyone had a play with this feature yet? Reading up about it, it seems very useful - very, very much ...
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    Data De-duplication

    Anyone had a play with this feature yet? Reading up about it, it seems very useful - very, very much so on the average school network, I'd imagine. Would like to see some real-life figures. Not something we'd be considering for a while with a stock 2008R2 network (although we've a CCTV server that's already 2012'd) but could well be something written into the specs for future updates.

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    I'm looking at this as a direct driving force for the upgrade of our main storage server, I've looked, 45% of our usage at one site is thick-witted teachers copying rubbish from the central teachers drives to their own documents folders. Training these sheep to understand is not really an option short of brain augmentation so 2012 could actually easily save us a storage server upgrade for two to three whole years. That is quite a boost to our budget from a single bullet point feature of an OS we have available effectively for free through SA.

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    If your backups aren't de-duplicated then you could cause yourself a whole new problem...

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    How so? The backups would therefore only back up the content once and the links thereafter surely?

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    Quote Originally Posted by morganw View Post
    If your backups aren't de-duplicated then you could cause yourself a whole new problem...
    Backups is usually the primary reason fordedupe especially if you can dedupe over the network as with solaris bsd etc.

    So how come the interest in dedupe now? Its been in windows serving networks for years.. is it fanboism with ms or just love of a pretty metro interface?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNerd View Post
    So how come the interest in dedupe now? It's been in Windows serving networks for years..
    Because previously you would have had to buy a NAS running Windows Storage Server. Now it is included for "free" in Windows Server 2012.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur View Post
    Because previously you would have had to buy a NAS running Windows Storage Server. Now it is included for "free" in Windows Server 2012.
    Not at all. Its been in commercial solaris for years. Many solaris environments are there to serve windows networks. BSD has it and its even available for linux albeit with fewer features. So why the interest now? If not Fanboism or pretty interfaces, is it just down to a lack of knowledge in the people making decisions?

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    I guess lots of places may be windows only servers with local storage and now dedupe can be leveraged natively rather than via 3rd party hard/software.

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    I guess, to those in the know, that you get the features that you want in your network for a cost effective price rather than what your current vendors have to offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNerd View Post
    It's been in commercial Solaris for years.
    You are correct that it has been able in other OSs for years, but in the context of this thread I was referring only to Windows-based OSs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNerd View Post
    I guess, to those in the know, that you get the features that you want in your network for a cost effective price rather than what your current vendors have to offer.
    Adding a windows 2012 file server at edu pricing would probably be more cost effective than anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by synaesthesia View Post
    How so? The backups would therefore only back up the content once and the links thereafter surely?
    It depends what you are using to do the backup. Even with software like Backup Exec I think deduplication of the backup requires an extra license, so you could end up inflating your data as you back it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plexer View Post
    Adding a windows 2012 file server at edu pricing would probably be more cost effective than anything else.

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    If you are windows trained then yes. If your nix trained then no.

    A bit of education on nix systems goes a long way in improving services for users

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    Seeing as the OP says he's running a windows based network then what I said holds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNerd View Post
    If you are windows trained then yes. If your nix trained then no.

    A bit of education on nix systems goes a long way in improving services for users
    But then you get to deal with other hassles like downgrading client security for a couple of years till SMB2 was supported properly, slowdowns thanks to TCP window shaping and you get to deal with the whole thing all over again with SMB3, yay.

    You can do it on Linux, you can do it on some storage boxes and have been able to for some time, you can even hack it together using WIM storage images if you really want but none of those are a substitute for a nice natively integrated feature that requires no extra stuffing about, platform collecting and overhead.

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