RabbieBurns (5th March 2012)
fair enough. Thanks
First impressions... do not want!
As a UI experiment for a much better OS, yes I can see it, but as a whole OS with a sort of desktop back end, it fails!!
The desktop OS as we know it has reached a fork in the road, seems like MS wanted to group DT and Mobile into one when all its done is create more fragmentation.
Interestingly, the "metro" IE wont load pages but if you open it on the desktop it loads fine.
2-for-1: Can Windows 8 satisfy both the desktop and the tablet? « Ars Technica
Microsoft has achieved what it set out to achieve. There are some issues to be taken care of, and I hope that Microsoft addresses them before finalizing the product. But Windows 8 is a true tablet operating system and a true PC operating system all in one. It's an interface that is comfortable and fluent on touch-based tablets, and effective and capable with the mouse and keyboard.
This isn't enough to take on Android tablets or the iPad, because an operating system alone cannot do that. Microsoft needs high quality hardware from its OEMs, and it needs strong support from its ISVs. Microsoft has done its part. The rest is up to its partners.
Not having WOA able to join a domain is the most idiotic move they could have made.
Executives want shiny toys, so right now they want tablets.
IT Support want to be able to mitigate the damage the execs can do and control the device.
iPads and Android cannot do this. Windows can do this. Windows is now being made for a tablet. Except... oh dear, we've messed it up, and created another Mobile 7 situation for ourself where there is no good reason for anyone to switch from the entrenched competitors.
The only hope is that Intel are finally getting their act together wrt low-power x86, but I imagine that the WOA version is streamlined for mobile devices and will run much faster than fullfat Win8 will on an x86 tablet of comparable power.
Such a missed opportunity, I genuinely cannot believe they missed it. Morons.
Update: there will be some management capabilities for Windows RT, albeit not full AD. Still, as that article says, it doesn't properly meet the needs of a network environment, certainly not of schools - it's very much at the control of the user and more about making applications available for a user to install.
It'll be interesting to see there reasoning for not just doing it right in the first place. Does AD put that much of an overhead on the client?
None of this is really great for an instant on user experience, all is stuff they could fix and should have fixed for the desktop versions but still have not bothered to and stuff like their abandonment of the MSI format in their new products does not paint a good picture.
sonofsanta (20th April 2012)
I'm almost certain I'll not be moving to Windows 8. I'll hold out on Windows 7 until it's not supported or Windows MMXX comes out.
We're planning our migration to Windows 7 here... So Windows 8 doesn't have a chance!
Server 8 and its new Hyper-V might be good but again relies on very specific hardware extentions in the CPU, none of which our hardware supports meaning that it is mostly pointless unless we go W8.
TBH we will probably end up on W8 but I don't see a great rush as there appears to be a huge downside that would need to be balanced out. I still blame Apple, all this idiotifying of the UI is in an attempt to capture the Apple market momentum with the consumer, where any more than one button is to complex and features must be hidden or removed. Maybe society at a whole is to blame for buying into the glorification of stupidity, this is what the new UI reflects when used as a desktop solution.
I'm going to do something out of character here and defend Apple!
Apple gear has kick started a change, for better or worse. Apple gear outside of a corp/edu environment just works, and I like that a lot. My mom and dad can pick up an iPad and do wonders with it with little to no training or support.
Now MS with 8 had the perfect opportunity to take the friendly UI just works approach of Apple and add the Windows management and deployment side to it.
MS' failure is no fault of Apple, they just started the movement.
Besides, I place more blame on society, why should anyone be able to do anything more complicated than share a photo on facebook anyway. Its not like knowledge matters anymore, everyone should just be quiet and consume their media politely least the rulers become displeased and start curtailing the stream of reality TV to the masses.
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