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    The desktop will be removed on smaller Windows tablets in Windows 9.0

    Assuming the rumours below are true, this would mean that after upgrading your Surface RT, Surface 2 or sub-9" Atom-based Windows tablets to Windows 9.0 you will find that the desktop has been completely removed. Will anyone miss it though?

    Sources: Neowin / ZDNet

    Quote Originally Posted by Neowin
    With Microsoft’s next major release in development, details about the update are starting to fall into place. We previously reported that the desktop will be disabled by default when Threshold is booted up on desktop-class PCs, but the story will be a bit different for smaller tablets.

    First of all, on smaller Windows devices - the ones where Microsoft gives away the license for free - the classic desktop will be going away. These devices will live in the Modern environment and this change is one of the reasons why the Surface mini did not ship.

    This makes a lot of sense too - on small devices like the Dell Venue 8 Pro, the desktop is nearly impossible to use as you lack the precision of a mouse (this is also why the Surface Mini would have shipped with a pen) so keeping these devices locked to the Modern environment is logical.
    Quote Originally Posted by ZDNet
    Users running Threshold on a desktop/laptop will get a SKU, or version, that puts the Windows Desktop (for running Win32/legacy apps) front and center. Two-in-one devices, like the Lenovo Yoga or Surface Pro, will support switching between the Metro-Style mode and the Windowed mode, based on whether or not keyboards are connected or disconnected.

    The combined Phone/Tablet SKU of Threshold won't have a Desktop environment at all, but still will support apps running side by side, my sources are reconfirming. This "Threshold Mobile" SKU will work on ARM-based Windows Phones (not just Lumias), ARM-based Windows tablets and, I believe, Intel-Atom-based tablets.

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    I wonder what this means for the version of Office which is included on Surface RTs? It's about the only thing I have found useful about my Surface RT, so it would be a huge loss for it to disappear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crc-ict View Post
    I wonder what this means for the version of Office which is included on Surface RTs? It's about the only thing I have found useful about my Surface RT, so it would be a huge loss for it to disappear.
    Presumably it'll go to Metro able apps... like it really should've been for the current version.

    The only thing I use the desktop for on my RT is Office... which is a tad annoying.

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    This thread has confused me a little so are you saying that when you upgrade the Microsoft Surface Pro 2 for example which has a full functioning desktop experience to the latest Windows 9 version you will be limited to from now on only using Metro Apps! That creates a huge problem as the only reason we are buying Surface Pro's is because they have the desktop functionality like a computer and can replace a full laptop and tablet in one.

    If they remove the desktop we won't be buying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crc-ict View Post
    I wonder what this means for the version of Office which is included on Surface RTs?
    I bet there will be a touch-friendly version of Office for RT that looks the same as Office for iPad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abillybob View Post
    This thread has confused me a little so are you saying that when you upgrade the Microsoft Surface Pro 2 for example which has a full functioning desktop experience to the latest Windows 9 version you will be limited to from now on only using Metro Apps!
    That's not what I'm saying at all.

    The Surface 2 will have its desktop removed, while the Surface Pro (1, 2 or 3) will keep it since they are neither sub-9" tablets or have Atom processors - they're hybrid devices that run the full version of Windows.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZDNet
    Two-in-one devices, like the Lenovo Yoga or Surface Pro, will support switching between the Metro-Style mode and the Windowed mode, based on whether or not keyboards are connected or disconnected.
    Last edited by Arthur; 2nd July 2014 at 09:40 AM.

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    Hopefully this is, finally, a move to a more sensible position where desktops/laptops and tablets/phones get an appropriate, but different, experience rather than the fudge that Windows 8 is. Should have been like this from the start.

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    On a related note: ''Windows Threshold'' said to disable Modern UI on desktops - The Tech Report

    So desktops will go completely the other way and lose Metro altogether, unless you're a masochist and re-enable it.

    Looks like the pattern of every-other-version is holding

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofsanta View Post
    Looks like the pattern of every-other-version is holding
    You mean this one?

    Code:
    Windows 7 = Good
    Windows 8.0 = Bad
    Windows 8.1 = Good
    Windows 8.1 Update 1 = Bad
    Windows 8.1 Update 2 = Good
    Windows 9.0 = Bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur View Post
    You mean this one?

    Code:
    Windows 7 = Good
    Windows 8.0 = Bad
    Windows 8.1 = Good
    Windows 8.1 Update 1 = Bad
    Windows 8.1 Update 2 = Good
    Windows 9.0 = Bad
    I was thinking more...
    Code:
    Windows 8 = Bad
    Windows 7 = Good
    Windows Vista = Bad
    Windows XP = Good
    Windows ME = So bad it counts three times
    Windows 98SE = Good
    Windows 98 = Bad
    Windows 95 = Good
    But that's because I'm lucky enough to have minimal experience of Windows 8 and thus have no opinion on the quality of the updates

    (Yes, 98SE is a bit of a fudge above, but tbh, I wasn't exactly a critical consumer at that point, I only cared if Duke Nukem 3D and Red Alert ran without problem. Which they didn't on ME, which continually crashed on me.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur View Post
    You mean this one?

    Code:
    Windows 7 = Good
    Windows 8.0 = Bad
    Windows 8.1 = Good
    Windows 8.1 Update 1 = Bad
    Windows 8.1 Update 2 = Good
    Windows 9.0 = Bad
    8.1 is not really a separate OS IMO. Its kinda like saying XP SP1/SP2/SP3 are all different OSs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofsanta View Post
    Yes, 98SE is a bit of a fudge
    No no no, 98 was awful, 98SE was great, they were so different it should count separately (and make the list work )

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    8.1 is not really a separate OS IMO.
    The 8.1 update you had to download from the Windows Store was OS-sized, as was the time it took to install.

    Windows 8 RTM will stop receiving updates on 12/01/2016, whereas Windows 8.1 U1 will continue to receive updates. In that sense they are kind of distinct OSs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur View Post
    The 8.1 update you had to download from the Windows Store was OS-sized, as was the time it took to install.
    So were some of the older service packs for older versions of Windows...

    Windows 8 RTM will stop receiving updates on 12/01/2016, whereas Windows 8.1 U1 will continue to receive updates. In that sense they are kind of distinct OSs.
    Those same sort of rules also applied to Windows XP with its various service packs.

    Basically, Microsoft have switched from calling service packs a "service pack" to being a point release.

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    As long as they don't force you to get updates via the store again I don't care what they call them

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