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Windows 8 Thread, StartIsGone for Windows 8.1 in Technical; Originally Posted by ZeroHour I never even thought of that, my vm's lock the mouse in the window so it ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeroHour View Post
    I never even thought of that, my vm's lock the mouse in the window so it was never an issue but good point
    I use RDC Manager, always doing it


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    Metro makes things easier to find apps. Just press start and start typing the app name.
    Didn't know you could do that! But once again it assumes you know what the thing your looking for is called and you can spell

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHR1S View Post
    Didn't know you could do that! But once again it assumes you know what the thing your looking for is called and you can spell
    Derp, that was added in vista lol.
    You only need to know the first couple of letters really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeroHour View Post
    Derp, that was added in vista lol.
    You only need to know the first couple of letters really.
    Noooo, I mean I didnt know you could just type in the start screen, I always hovered right and clicked search.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHR1S View Post
    Noooo, I mean I didnt know you could just type in the start screen, I always hovered right and clicked search.
    Ahhh I was going to say

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    Quote Originally Posted by FN-GM View Post
    Metro makes things easier to find apps. Just press start and start typing the app name.
    Except that this doesn't always work properly, and when it does, it assumes you already know the name of what you're looking for.

    Now I know that my college has photoshop installed on all the computers but we have 1500 new users this year who don't know that, and yet would still like to edit a picture file. Of course, if they're editing a photo and start typing 'photo...' then they'll be fine but there are lots of places where instead of photoshop they'll be using the gimp or paint.net. The idea that search excuses all the problems with the start screen is very much a red herring

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roberto View Post
    Except that this doesn't always work properly, and when it does, it assumes you already know the name of what you're looking for.

    Now I know that my college has photoshop installed on all the computers but we have 1500 new users this year who don't know that, and yet would still like to edit a picture file. Of course, if they're editing a photo and start typing 'photo...' then they'll be fine but there are lots of places where instead of photoshop they'll be using the gimp or paint.net. The idea that search excuses all the problems with the start screen is very much a red herring
    Also, anyone tried searching for "update" via the Start Screen?

    Every program you own that has an update feature shows up in Programs, if you're lucky you know which program it is from the icon.

    There are 2 different versions of Windows Update in Settings, not to mention any apps that managed to get their update icon in to the Control Panel.

    The search really is far from perfect... I've got everything I *usually* need set up in groups on the Start Screen now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FN-GM View Post
    Metro makes things easier to find apps. Just press start and start typing the app name.
    It may make it easier to find apps this way (but this is hardly new functionality, Vista could do this as well and that was still a god-awful OS) but overall, Metro is still functionally deficient compared to the old start menu. For example:
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    Quick lists in the Start Menu. In Outlook, new message etc. In Excel, word etc recently used documents. In IE and Chrome, recently visited pages. In the RDC client, recent servers. Useful functionality which has been removed for as far as I can see no real reason.

    I have nothing against change so long as it actually gets you something. For the desktop user, Metro gives you nothing and takes away plenty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norphy View Post
    Useful functionality which has been removed for as far as I can see no real reason.
    @Norphy @CHR1S @Roberto. Right-click the icon on your taskbar...



    The useful functionality you claim is missing, isn't missing at all.

    Last edited by Arthur; 14th September 2013 at 11:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur View Post
    The useful functionality you claim is missing, isn't missing at all.
    Even so, it's another example of how useless an "update" the Start Screen, which lacks this feature, is.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm used to using the Start Screen now, but I still don't see that it's an improvement. It's just different for different's sake (on a desktop PC)

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    Quote Originally Posted by LosOjos View Post
    which lacks this feature
    It wouldn't make any sense to include that feature on the Start Screen.

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    Sooo much better not to have a silly start button

    On a training thing though my tech has been complaining about how difficult it was to get to things in Windows 8 until I realised that the problem is he didn't know about typing the name of the app right into the start screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur View Post

    The useful functionality you claim is missing, isn't missing at all.
    It's missing from the Start Menu. I don't know about you but I have a lot more pinned to my start menu than I do to my task bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norphy View Post
    I don't know about you but I have a lot more pinned to my start menu than I do to my taskbar.
    The program doesn't actually need to be pinned to the taskbar to access the items on the jump list - just running. Therefore all you need to do is open Outlook and then right-click its icon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur View Post
    The program doesn't actually need to be pinned to the taskbar to access the items on the jump list - just running. Therefore all you need to do is open Outlook and then right-click its icon.
    So to replicate the functionality that's in the old start menu for let's say Photoshop, I have to open Photoshop, right click on the icon in the task bar and access its jump list from there? At that point you may as well just use the built in task bars in Photoshop. With the old start menu, you could open a list of recent docs without having to open the program or browse the file system. Unless I have the program pinned in W8, I can't do that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norphy View Post
    So to replicate the functionality that's in the old start menu for let's say Photoshop, I have to open Photoshop, right click on the icon in the task bar and access its jump list from there?
    There are many different ways to achieve what you want. e.g.

    • Windows Key Ph Enter File Open Recent

    • Start Charms Bar Search Recent

    • Windows Key + F Recent

    • Right-click Photoshop while it is running or pinned Recent

    • Add the 'Recent Items' folder (%AppData%\Microsoft\Windows\Recent) to your Favourites in File Explorer


    Quote Originally Posted by Norphy View Post
    With the old start menu, you could open a list of recent docs without having to open the program or browse the file system.
    You still can. See the second and third examples listed above.

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