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    And MS also need to introduce a raft of GPOs that actually let you configure Windows8 in a coporate/education environment!

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    I love windows 8 on my laptop and some of the new features it offers and I don't mind not having a start menu, on windows 7 I'd just press start and type what I wanted anyway, same as Windows 8.
    The biggest problem is what someone commented on earlier, if I was using the same machine every day great this would work fine. But when a student logs on 5 different pc's a day and has to update apps through the windows store every time it becomes a bit tedious and also creating a new profile every time is slow at best compared to windows 7. Looking forward to seeing if there are new app update options are available in the next server release next week at technet.

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    We're offering it to Staff who want it and putting it on all new laptops for them but have no plans in the immediate future to install it in the classrooms. We're currently upgrading our servers to 2012 so once that's done we'll look in to seeing what the benefits of installing it in the classrooms would be and make a decision that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael View Post
    what on earth were they thinking making Win 8 a touchscreen only OS with no options suitable for keyboard and mouse users?
    Have you actually used Windows 8? If you had, you would know that it is not a touchscreen only OS and it has far more keyboard and mouse shortcuts than Windows 7 ever had.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael View Post
    Corporate IT are not going to suddenly change everything to touchscreen are they?
    They don't have to because Windows 8 isn't a touchscreen only OS! Touch is an additional input method, just like the keyboard, mouse and trackpad are.

    If you download the latest drivers for your trackpad, you might even be able to use OS X-style gestures (even with older non-touchscreen laptops).



    Quote Originally Posted by Michael View Post
    A really simple fix for Microsoft is for Windows itself to know whether it's installed on a tablet, notebook or PC and select the appropriate interface, or for advanced users, allowing them to specify the default interface.
    How would that work on a hybrid laptop or touchscreen ultrabook / AIO desktop?

    With Android, if you connect a mouse and keyboard to your tablet the interface doesn't change. Why should Windows be any different?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur View Post
    Have you actually used Windows 8? If you had, you would know that it is not a touchscreen only OS and it has far more keyboard and mouse shortcuts than Windows 7 ever had.

    They don't have to because Windows 8 isn't a touchscreen only OS! Touch is an additional input method, just like the keyboard, mouse and trackpad are.

    If you download the latest drivers for your trackpad, you might even be able to use OS X-style gestures (even with older non-touchscreen laptops).




    How would that work on a hybrid laptop or touchscreen ultrabook / AIO desktop?

    With Android, if you connect a mouse and keyboard to your tablet the interface doesn't change. Why should Windows be any different?
    Yes I've used Windows 8 from a very early stage. There are many shortcuts, but Jo Public isn't going to know about them are they? People want to use the GUI to use things, not keyboard shortcuts!!

    Windows 8 is blatantly aimed at touchscreen, with keyboard and mouse as a second option. Microsoft are always promoting Windows 8 on tablets and not on desktops or notebooks in their adverts are they? And every single advert you see users swiping the screen with their finger... If Corporate IT invest in upgrading to tablets running Windows 8, is this going to make profits rise even more? Of course it isn't, which is why very few big corporations are actually using it.

    On hybrid machines, users can choose - I think this is the biggest issue with Windows 8. It's like it or lump it. I've lost count now of the amount of machines I have downgraded as customers contact me at their dissatisfaction with Windows 8. I had a customer yesterday who said to me 'all I want is a desktop with icon shortcuts' and I think she speaks for many others.

    So why is Windows 8 being received so badly in your opinion? And why are they having to make 'significant' changes with Windows 8.1?

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    I have a feeling Microsoft simply saw iPads gaining in popularity, but in reality, this is still a small percentage of all devices used. Corporate IT are not going to suddenly change everything to touchscreen are they?
    I have to disagree with you there. Microsoft certainly saw a threat from tablets, but you're suggesting it's not real. They saw it three years ago, and it is definitely real - IDC predicts tablets to outsell PC's by 2015.

    Microsoft sell a huge amount to consumers, and there is an Enterprise uptake with tablets too. They need to be part of that market, particularly if it's going to eat away 50% of their sales in only a few years. The numbers now prove that Microsoft was right to change Windows for the Post-PC era. It's just difficult to swallow the way they've gone about it if you're a traditional PC user.

    Your solution is quite a good idea. I've often wondered about it myself. Having two or three "device modes" for tablet/desktop and/or laptop would've been good.

    Anyway, I see some apparent leaks of the 8.1 preview have surfaced today and it does look a little like they've made progress toward something like that. I think you'll see a slightly more sensible and considerate approach now that Sinofsky is gone. Apparently his style was very autocratic, and he was the sort of personality who wanted to dictate the direction rather than listening to feedback.

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    I agree they have to be part of the tablet/phone market, but the way they've gone about it is poor. Now whether or not this is the fault of Steven Sinofsky and others... who knows, but not listening to customer feedback is just stupid.

    The issue I have with 'tablets outselling PCs', is what is the definition of a PC? A box or tower in the corner, or does this also include notebooks and netbooks too? I have my reservations about it happening so soon, simply because tablets are still too new and too expensive for what they are.

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    Windows 8 is fine

    I have since christmas working on bits and bobs for deploying windows 8 in september.

    We already have it rolled out to 1 classroom of 24 pc's under heavy use for 3 months now. Just checked the ammount of users that have signed in and its 506 so far the only support calls ive had to it was someone accidentally done the "CTRL + ALT + <Arrow Key" and moved the screen round. We also have 5 members of staff with windows 8 laptops who seeem to be getting on fine.

    Running it side by side windows 7 is actually much harder than just rolling out windows 8 on its own due to Default profiles of win 7 and win 8 not being cross compatible and a few other things.

    Otherwise the customizing of the start screen was the hardest bit but anyone who really does it from now on can find the info on the web easy enough rather than having to work stuff out for them selves.

    SIMS / Solus 3 now officially support windows 8 and office 2013 has some nice new features.

    All in All we are 100% deploying it to all desktop pcs, but staff laptops will be an optional upgrade for them as we cannot be bothered with the hassle

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    Quote Originally Posted by jugglerjoe View Post
    I have since christmas working on bits and bobs for deploying windows 8 in september.

    We already have it rolled out to 1 classroom of 24 pc's under heavy use for 3 months now. Just checked the ammount of users that have signed in and its 506 so far the only support calls ive had to it was someone accidentally done the "CTRL + ALT + <Arrow Key" and moved the screen round. We also have 5 members of staff with windows 8 laptops who seeem to be getting on fine.

    Running it side by side windows 7 is actually much harder than just rolling out windows 8 on its own due to Default profiles of win 7 and win 8 not being cross compatible and a few other things.

    Otherwise the customizing of the start screen was the hardest bit but anyone who really does it from now on can find the info on the web easy enough rather than having to work stuff out for them selves.

    SIMS / Solus 3 now officially support windows 8 and office 2013 has some nice new features.

    All in All we are 100% deploying it to all desktop pcs, but staff laptops will be an optional upgrade for them as we cannot be bothered with the hassle
    I totally agree with this, im starting to roll it out in the schools I work in and no one has complained. Once people learn the basics its straight forward to use with a mouse/keyboard or touch screen.

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    I have the upgrade ready and fullly automated from group policy even have a script to install solus 3 agent/wireless profiles/specialist programs and some random fixes for certain models of PC onto computers i need >_< cant wait for august =]

    we had a little training thing for people to see windows 8 within our staff 12 came along and all happpiliy got along with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arh_3000 View Post
    I totally agree with this, im starting to roll it out in the schools I work in and no one has complained. Once people learn the basics its straight forward to use with a mouse/keyboard or touch screen.
    Yeah, I agree with the last couple of posters really, anyone who's spent some time with it finds Windows 8 has no major failing. The complainers are mostly just big enterprises who're way behind everyone else anyway (still on XP in a lot of cases) and people who don't like change. I don't know whether I mentioned it, but we have BYOD program and the students in that bring a lot of their own Win8 laptops, they like them just fine. Also, I had a staff member who's laptop normally runs Win 7 loaning one of our Windows 8 Dell XPS's recently, she loved it so much she didn't want to give it back, and now she wants to get one of her own permanently.

    If anyone's interested, I'm blogging some of our Win8 and BYOD experiences at - blog.hald.me. So far, nothing has been negative enough to justify our worries about it all before we started (with Win8 or BYOD).

    L8r.

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    I've spun up a few VM's to test settings. My two issues with it are the store apps, and folder redirection. I will have a 2012 DC later this summer so that may fix the folder redirection.

    I will also be looking at SCCM this summer.

    Those of you that are rolling it out, how are the store apps installed and updated, does every student need a Microsoft ID. We have GAFE not O365.

    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by dana_lehman View Post
    I've spun up a few VM's to test settings. My two issues with it are the store apps, and folder redirection.
    Yeah, the store apps are my biggest annoyance right now. What is the problem with folder redirection? Our redirection of My Documents and other library folders still seems to work.

    L8r.

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    The desktop redirects, but when I try to access a folder it doesn't open, no error it just doesn't open.

    The documents appear to redirect, but the documents library only has public documents. Trying to add my documents gives an error.

    Hopefully it is just something off in my policy that I can correct once I get 2012 DC.

    The store apps is an issue. On one hand I want to just disable the store, and on the other I would want to push apps. I know the minute I disable the store some teacher will say they need store app xyz.
    As said before it's just not corporate / education friendly.

    I have w8 on my home PC and it works nice.

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    You must be redirecting documents wrong. server 2008 r2 network here and works perfect. even have different appdata folders setup for users depending whether they are on Win 7 or Win 8. If you would like to chat about it pm me.

    The deal withs appps... GRRR.
    Right, with regards to normal Windows 8 treat apps as if they are invisible, unless you want a management nightmare.

    I have had no secess using dism or powershell to actually update an app. I am not going to find it now but there is microsoft documents saying that "Updates have to be user initiated".
    So if you are wanting apps, wait untill windows 8.1 comes out. There is a group policy that will come out called "Allow store apps to automatically update".

    If you want windows 8 policies using a 2008 r2 DC just need to update the group policy store. Look it up online youll find lots about updating ADMX/ADM Files.

    We dont let students have Windows Live ID's. But what it does is give them their internal full domain name = 07dibblesy would be 07dibblesy.<domain>.<Name> and that pics it up in office and stuff.

    with SCCM, I do have experience however my boss is against doing it at the moment, would be nice but TBH i managed to make a Task sequence in the MDt to sucessfully upgrade a PC from the windows 7 OS to the windows 8 OS. Most of stuff is MSI. and stuff that isnt is either in MDT Database or as tickboxs to install

    Any other questions, feel free to ask.
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