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Windows 8 Thread, A Comparison of Alternative Start Menu's for Windows 8 in Technical; Stardock: 3 million Start8 downloads ^ That's a lot of downloads, although downloads are not the same as licenses sold. ...
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    Stardock: 3 million Start8 downloads

    ^ That's a lot of downloads, although downloads are not the same as licenses sold.

    Quote Originally Posted by gshaw View Post
    Like the WinRT debacle it's putting profit before technology/usability
    What's the alternative? Microsoft can hardly sell tablets and other touchscreen devices with Windows 7.

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    @Arthur they should've released the Surface RT with full enterprise management features i.e. domain join, SCCM management (not InTune, come on do you really want another management platform having set up System Center?!) etc not the ridiculous cut down "home use only" experience MS have forced solely to extract more $$$ for the Surface Pro. In the meantime the lack of decent Win8 hardware must have Apple doing the happy dance as they ponder iPad4.

    Probably too late now but an RT for £400 that could work as a standard domain machine but only run Metro apps + Office would've sold like hot cakes. Would also have kept people on the better Metro tablet experience as their first look at Win8 rather than concentrating on how irritating it is to use in Desktop mode. On a tablet it's a much better proposition and may have helped offset the negativity around the ropey desktop user experience.

    Instead RT is looking like a white elephant that's neither here nor there.

    I think it's fair to say you're probably the most clued up on here when it comes to Win8 so if you can give me a technical reason why an RT can't be an enterprise machine I'm all ears. Seeing as MS have managed to port the whole of the OS and Office 2013 to ARM I doubt that's the reason somehow so what else can it be apart from profit margins?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gshaw View Post
    what else can it be apart from profit margins?
    The following video from TechEd 2012 explains why Microsoft decided to make Windows RT devices less manageable than x86 PCs. While I am sure profit does play a small part (they are a business after all), there were also several other things Microsoft had to take into account (especially in BYOD scenarios and laws regarding data on personal devices).

    Windows RT Devices for Business « TechEd NA 2012 (MP4)

    If you don't have a spare hour to watch the entire video, the part you will be most interested in is from 0:38:38 to 0:57:44 (in particular 0:46:04 to 0:50:28).

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    Been through all of the mentioned start menu replacements and have bought the 5 user license of StartIsBack a while ago.

    It also works great on 2012 Server as mentioned which I run as my desktop at work so Ive been able to make it a lot more useable.

    I did try to get used to the Metro interface, I have left it as the default interface that shows when the computer boots so I can get my live tiles with info about weather and emails and stuff, but i literally dont use a single Metro app on my desktop or laptop so have no problems dropping to the desktop, and using it just like windows 7.

    PS. Thanks to @Arthur for the original heads up about StartIsBack last year.

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    StartIsBack 2.0 has just been released with deployability and group policy support.

    StartIsBack - real start menu in Windows 8

    Version 2.0 3 Mar 2013
    What's new in this major release:
    New skin and orb image
    Greatly improved Appearance UI
    Modern Apps (Start Apps) are included into MFU and all programs list (optional)
    Shortcut to Start Screen in Start Menu
    Option to display all programs as multi-column flyout menu (Windows XP style)
    Option to enable Start Screen hot corner on desktop
    Bottom-left hot corner configuration
    Option to configure what happens when Modern app closes
    Advanced Win hotkeys configuration options
    Option to hide Start button
    Option to disable StartIsBack
    Some useful Windows settings at hand
    Group Policy support

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    some of these are quite useful - thanks

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    This looks interesting...

    Website: www.reviversoft.com/start-menu-reviver/

    Last edited by Arthur; 15th May 2013 at 10:32 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur View Post
    This looks interesting...
    Just installed. I love it! Might actually use it on my Win 7 machine as well. Cheers @Arthur !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur View Post
    This looks interesting...
    That looks like a brilliant compromise - I'm pretty sure someone on here drew a mock up just like that a few months back, don't suppose they actually developed it?

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    I'm pretty sure someone on here drew a mock up just like that a few months back
    It was me LOL. Unfortunatly I dont have these kinds of skills :P. This looks awsome anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by squeeky View Post
    It was me LOL. Unfortunatly I dont have these kinds of skills :P. This looks awsome anyway
    What a shame! You were really on to something there still, at least you get that rare thing - a tool written to your own spec! (even if it is coincidence lol)

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    Mine was slightly different but I think their alternative is better. I mean its less obtrusive and I love the way the tiles split when you add more pinned apps.
    startmenu.png



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