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Windows 7 Thread, 32 or 64 bit? in Technical; Put simply, If we don't have any 64 bit programs on our workstations, is there any point in installing 64 ...
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    32 or 64 bit?

    Put simply, If we don't have any 64 bit programs on our workstations, is there any point in installing 64 bit Windows 7 on them?

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    To expand a bit 64 bit is only of use if you have more than 4 Gb memory or 64bit only programs that will use this memory and processor optimally.

    If you don't 32 bit is fine and is what is install on all of our workstations. Mine is 64 bit but for the above reasons (I have 6Gb and Photoshop 64bit)

    edit: that might actually be 3Gb memory not 4

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    You could go 64-bit though for future-proofing I suppose. i.e. if you have 2GB RAM but may increase it in the future, or just simply to be ready for when everything is 64-bit and 32-bit has gone the way of the master system

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    If you have a load of old software like we have and don't want to use something like App-V, then go 32-bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cromertech View Post
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    edit: that might actually be 3Gb memory not 4
    I think you're right Cromertech, the 32-Bit version will only allow you to utilise up to 3GB RAM - 64-Bit will allow the use of more than that.

    We have mostly 64-Bit machines at my workplace, however we have had to downgrade some machines to 32-Bit as they use applications which have a 16-Bit application installed :S

    Having the additional memoray usage in the 64-Bit machines is definitely a bonus though if you decide to install it

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    Cheers guys, that's what I thought but just wanted to check

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    also, 32bit versions of programs can only utilize a certain amount of memory 2-3gigs tops I think, for example Photoshop 64bit will utilize a lot more if given access to it.
    memory footprints are generally a bit larger for 64bit apps, so really 4 gig would be a minimum, I have six in my work machine, but my home has 4gig and I run stuff like cinema 4d x64 and photoshop x64 without any issues, although on big jobs and processes the more memory the better.

    for photo & video editing and anything requiring rendering (CAD, CG etc), in an ideal world I would give them minimum of 8gig plus x64... but that's wishful thinking. darn those budgets!

    on our 2gig curric machines we use x32 but for staff laptops we're thinking of rolling out x64.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cromertech View Post
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    I wouldn't say none.

    64-bit versions of Windows are more secure due to features such as Kernel Patch Protection, mandatory driver signing and hardware-enforced DEP for native 64-bit apps. Unless you have ancient software/hardware, there's absolutely no reason to go with the 32-bit version of Windows.

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    Depends if you want to be rebuilding your machine(s) in the future, as mentioned above future-proofing should not be overlooked. Then if you have 64bit, why not start using 64bit Office (although I don't know if all the bugs have been sorted with this yet!), Photoshop, etc.

    *EDIT: I retract my statement about using Office 64bit... it is still full of compatibility issues!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GREED View Post

    *EDIT: I retract my statement about using Office 64bit... it is still full of compatibility issues!
    MS don't even recommend it yet from what I read in the summer, it seems its more a beta product that's not a beta product lol

    Most of our PCs are 64 bit at work, they work well and are reliable and we have no issues, they seem to be a lot more robust and resilient than the 32 bit ones we have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john View Post
    MS don't even recommend it yet from what I read in the summer, it seems its more a beta product that's not a beta product lol

    Most of our PCs are 64 bit at work, they work well and are reliable and we have no issues, they seem to be a lot more robust and resilient than the 32 bit ones we have.
    Hence my above retraction, technically it will work fine, but the lack of integration with other products and add-ons makes it somewhat pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur View Post
    Unless you have ancient software/hardware, there's absolutely no reason to go with the 32-bit version of Windows.
    And by "ancient hardware", read "a printer bought 3 years ago". A distressing number of peripherals (not just printers) don't have working 64-bit drivers. Check your inventory before making a decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryTechnician View Post
    And by "ancient hardware", read "a printer bought 3 years ago". A distressing number of peripherals (not just printers) don't have working 64-bit drivers. Check your inventory before making a decision.
    Yeap, substitute old hardware with excriment hardware. I have 6-7 year old hp servers that work perfectly with 64 bit windows but drop in something like an adaptec card which thet drop support for the second it leaves the factory and your stuffed.

    Scanners and cheap/bad printers along with aweful edu specific hardware are the main concerns. Of corse all printers are bad but some are worse than others. For example many copiers will not support the latest drivers untill they get a firmware upgrade and even then their support can be dodgey (toshiba). Cheaper home grade printers can also cause issues.

    Drivers for internal pc components are mostly integrated intobwindows with almost all that are not automatically downloaded from Windows update.

    Overall though I would recommend going x64 on anything that can take it, it is more secure, more stable and uses more of the cpus capibilities (registers etc.) meaning that certain stuff runs faster. It also means that you are prepping for the future and confronting any issues with current and future hardware now even if you can't go 64 now you need to be making the right decisions now to enable you to in future.

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    If manufacturers can't be bothered to write 64-bit drivers then they deserve to be boycotted. Vista x64 was released over four years ago so they don't really have any excuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur View Post
    If manufacturers can't be bothered to write 64-bit drivers then they deserve to be boycotted. Vista x64 was released over four years ago so they don't really have any excuses.
    And XP 64bit came out several years before then, so they've had plenty of time to get into the 64bit world.

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