Thank u for the last few posts!!!
See mossj u being taken for a ride!! U only do what ur job is if you do something extra then they will always keep giving you extra and expect u to do it!
The teachers get extra points for doing extra things so why shouldnt technicians!!??
I agree with this, implement to me means 'install and get it running, so some other poor soul can put stuff on it'. I wouldn't touch content with a barge pole - it would not be a reasonable request of an ICT tech.
Originally Posted by bossman
The point is though, do you expect to be given a hand out every time a new task is assigned?
Originally Posted by mightywhite
Most people in schools do a wide range of extra jobs and work beyond their contractually obliged tasks.
If you go with hands out every few months, you'll also gain yourself a bad reputation with the financial side - which could impact later pay/role/employment reviews. You'll normally find revisions in your contract every year anyway.
Whereas if you're helpful, knowledgable and willing to take on extra work and tasks it'll look good for you - I'm sure it was something that helped towards the various wage increases and glowing reference I received from my last place of work.
Of course, If these extra task interfere with your existing work to too high a degree then you should either seek more hours or ask for assistance.
I don't think anyone is 'being taken for a ride'... virtually every contract contains something along the lines of "any other task..." and in a small school like mine, that can be anything from holding hands with pre-schoolers as they cross the road to go the church for the nativity service to acting as emergency secretary when the half the staff had gone down with flu a couple of years ago. Flexibility and a cheerful attitude are valued by employers everywhere.
You should be paid, or given TOIL, for additional hours you may have to work to get the job done. So, if they are asking you to do additional hours, then you should be checking that there will be recompense... that is reasonable. Your line manager may want you to do a timesheet to show what additional hours have been done. It is also useful to record your hours on existing work, to show why you couldn't complete the task in your normal working hours.
Implementing a VLE isn't a small task, but I would think it would come under most network manger/tech's jobs - just ensure that you have time to do everything. If not, maybe a (temporary?) junior tech needs to be employed to cover the basic tasks, freeing you up to get on with the biggy.
I'd regard it as an opportunity not an insult - it'll look good on the cv if you've done it yourself! :)
I took the original question to mean you don't get any more money in your budget for implementing the VLE.
If that's the case then use moodle on an old spare PC that kicking around and upgrade it to a flashy server when needed.
If you want more money as in salary, then you need to justify it in the fact that you are taking on more responsibility in some manner.
Because if there aren't enough hours in your work week to be able to do the job then you really need to either get additional staff or work smarter.
I manage our VLE and do training for faculties and I take it as being part of my job, but I have come to realise the VLE's are a fairly specialised method of working and you really need input from SMT on builiding a strategy around how they are used in your school.
Originally Posted by Domino
You'll only get a bad reputation if the tasks you have been given could be included on the same scale as part of your current job. If you started as a toner changer, but then were asked to implement and manage a VLE you are right to ask if you will be paid as it is more respsonsibility. If you are then asked to manage the school network then you can ask for more money again. If all this happens over 6 months then you shouldn't be expected to take on all that responsibility but be paid as a toner changer.
Normally if you have a yearly review this gives you the opportunity to put your case forward for more money if your workload/responsibilities have increased. I have worked in the past in a school where I took on extra respsonsibilities being told that my scale would be looked at in the future. Unfotunately this never actually happened despite repeated attempts by me for a review. It is very difficult to get people to pay you more once you have already taken on more work.
As for the line of "any other task" this is only in the case that it is a one off and not a regular daily task, otherwise it should be incorparated into your contract. Dont get me wrong, if there are emergencies I am quite happy to help out, and I think that mentality goes a long way in having a good working relationship with people. I think give and take is needed and the willingness to take on extra work is essential when working in IT and education.
But you must see the difference between a willingness to take on extra work and being exploited because the school want you to take on more work but for no extra pay.*This is a general comment and not necessarily related to the original post. I just get angry when I see what schools expect IT staff to do without being willing to pay them*
I do lots of extra jobs which i am not paid to do but being asked to do the VLE for no extra money is taking the mickey!
Asked me to take some blinds down once, not my job its caretakers but i did it cause i always help out but they need to pay up when big projects come up like this.
i suppose the big question is then, what payscale should implementing and support a VLE be acceptible as part of your job. I personally think its acceptable for a Senior Tech post. top end of payscale 4/5, anything lower then its time to ask for more pay!
18-21k a year?
I think that until you tell us exactly what it is that SLT require of you then you won't get a proper answer from anyone here. The posts here seem to fall into one of two camps broadly speaking; are you setting up and maintaining the server which will hold the VLE, or are you being asked to prepare material for it? If it's the former then it will probably fall within the remit of an IT technician. However, if you're being asked to prepare material for the VLE, or as you say, "create the VLE" then that's another matter. If you let us know some more detail of what's being asked of you then we may be able to offer more "targeted" advice.
Originally Posted by mightywhite
couldn't put it better myself.
Originally Posted by beeswax
installing / configuring / adding or managing accounts etc for a VLE is a bread and butter job and def iwithin a technicians remit (prolly not a 12k pa technicians remit though :) )
The developing process of a VLE within a school is a much more in depth, involving and significant job and is absolutely worthy of a significant pay difference between that and a toner drone.
If all goes to plan and I get the VLE job I'm after I'm looking at 5k raise and that's on top of my grade increase from the recent P&G. Any school who isn't prepared to reflect the increase in duties relative with the development of a VLE with a commensurate increase in pay is simply asking for trouble.