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Is it possible to do SSO with frog?
I read here that you can with a program called frog ...
9th December 2010, 01:09 PM #1
Frog VLE Single Sign On?
Is it possible to do SSO with frog?
I read here that you can with a program called frog live but cant find any information on it.
Which VLE has - SSO, Homedrive areas, AD connection, Email connection
Anyone have any more info on it?
9th December 2010, 01:30 PM #2
From an email with a Frog representative... hopefully they wont mind...
The application (called FrogLive) sits on the PC, when a user logs in to Frog from any networked machine that has FrogLive installed, it captures their username and password and saves the ‘cookie’ in their networked ‘my documents’ as a hidden file.
Next time they log in to the school network, FL ‘finds’ the cookie and knows who they are, if they launch Frog they are automatically signed in. They can also download FrogLive at home and have SSO from there too, but as they won’t have a network the cookie is stored on that particular machine, so they need FL on every machine they may use.
Thanks to siuko from:
ihaveaproblem (10th December 2010)
9th December 2010, 01:33 PM #3
Thanks Siuko, very helpful info.
Do you a know rough cost of Frog Live?
9th December 2010, 01:37 PM #4
Frog Live is free as part of your Frog Teacher VLE Support..
9th December 2010, 01:53 PM #5
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Frog Live allows you to open a document saved on the VLE, edit it and save it straight back to the VLE. This prevents the problem that you find with most other VLEs where you have to download a document, edit it, save it locally, delete the copy on the VLE and then upload the new copy.
Single Sign On to the VLE works with an Active Directory domain. In the 'Server Settings' just type in your domain name and an IP address of one of your domain controllers. This will allow staff/students to log in to the VLE with their normal username and password.
9th December 2010, 09:28 PM #6
Anyone else concerned by the security implications of storing a hidden 'cookie' in the users My Documents folder on the network? Could have interpreted the above email incorrectly?
9th December 2010, 10:43 PM #7
Is it any worse than storing any other piece of information in a users home folder? for admins sure it's more of risk but for a normal user not so.
Admin rights can be given using 2-factor auth as well for added security.
10th December 2010, 08:57 AM #8
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What was not mentioned was the fact that FrogLive is configurable depending on the users Frog user profile, if you don't want the users to have the option to save the password/username etc, then uncheck the boxes. This really isn't an issue.
For those that want to change the FrogLive defaults, Toolkit, Admin, profile, select profile, FrogLive Tab.
4th September 2012, 04:14 PM #9
Just a quick post to update this; I've just enabled the new Frog Active Directory Single Sign On element on our Frog Server and it seems to work nicely!
Homepage is now set to http://frogserver/ntlm instead of just http://frogserver and the users are now logged into their Dashboard within Frog! About time! Now going to see wether or not Froglive is still really needed. You do have to do a tweak on the console of the Frogserver (not the toolkit); there is a PDF available with instructions.
14th September 2012, 05:23 PM #10
Pete. If you are running IE8 of IE7 there are currently some bugs with frog file system access and rss brick. It should be fixed in the October build. Just a heads up if you are pushing it out to your users.
Originally Posted by FragglePete
14th September 2012, 05:39 PM #11
Thanks. It would also appear that this is Broken. We've been having issues were it would work one day and then stop the next with the Frogsever being disconnected from the Domain.
I spoke to them this morning and its a known issue and they believe they know whats causing it. Turning it off for now; real shame.
Biggest issue at the moment is that IE9 treats all Intranet pages in Compatability mode which has also broken a few things for us (namely file upload which causes IE to crash) - just nailing down the GPO at the moment that causes this.
Last edited by FragglePete; 14th September 2012 at 05:41 PM.
16th September 2012, 07:22 PM #12
Yeah, we tried SSO earlier this week but had to turn it off again.
It worked fine (as far as we know) whilst we had it turned on, but it wouldn't let us sign in to the toolkit or as any of our test users.
Also, not sure whether it's related or happened some other time, but when my colleague renamed a menu item after we'd turned on SSO, the whole menu just disappeared - deleted - for no reason whatsoever. Probably not directly related to SSO, but might have been introduced in the same update/patch as SSO was released with. It does have one benefit, in that we need to recreate the menu from scratch - it got too full and complex, so we've redesigned it whilst we're at it.
24th September 2012, 02:35 PM #13
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I've just poked my nose into this thread to mention that we're currently working on fixes for a couple of issues with AD SSO at the moment.
Despite having completed a successful beta programme with a number of schools, issues have been identified with AD SSO, post-release.
Our teams have looked into these issues and we are confident that we have identified the root cause of the issue and working towards a fix. In the meantime, it is our advice that if you are experiencing issues with AD SSO, or issues that you believe have only started since your implementation of AD SSO, that you cease using it and resort to the normal method of logging in.
2 Thanks to JamesFromFrog:
FragglePete (26th September 2012), MicrodigitUK (26th September 2012)
26th September 2012, 10:21 AM #14
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Is it still in beta then? what are the issues we should look for? seems to be working ok for us so far, although it doesnt work on our apple macs. ta.
26th September 2012, 07:12 PM #15
Frog (James and team) have found a work around with a registry fix for the issues with IE8 that we have tested and look to have fixed 95% of the issues. Issues are around access to files stored on the frog file system, creating homework, creating frog pages, forms brick and rss feeds brick.
Originally Posted by backwellschool
If you are using IE9 you will be ok.
As for Apple Mac SSO it will never work as Frog have implemented using NTLM a Microsoft technology. When I asked one of the Frog Dev team why they didn't use Kerberos to support Mac I was told it would have been a security risk to access to there system files on the server.
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