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    Fronter - Amateurish & Poorly Coded?

    I just had some training in Fronter recently (all of it went completely over my head, but oh well...) and well, after seeing the deep technical roots, and also some of the final solutions some school currently have in place, the first thing that hit me was I have seen year 7 student do better designs than this!

    2 years ago at BETT, I saw a company called LP+ do a presentation of their Sharepoint based VLE on the Microsoft stand and it looked damn impressive! To date, I have yet to see any Fronter setup that is remotely anywhere near the standard of their Sharepoint solution and this is 2 years later. Just playing around with changing the settings was a tedious process, changing 1 setting and then refreshing the page, in a page that had 100s of settings, administrative nightmare is the only vision I can see. I was totally lost in the myriad of rooms and corridoors.

    I can't say I'm surprised it is being forced down our throats by the LEA because the LGFL signed them up. I mean, just look at Digital Brain, personally, I think that says it all, moving from 1 useless system to another slightly better, yet still such a poor implementation of a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoom7000 View Post

    2 years ago at BETT, I saw a company called LP+ do a presentation of their Sharepoint based VLE on the Microsoft stand and it looked damn impressive!
    As a school using LP+ and Sharepoint all I can say is "All that glisters is not gold"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcollings View Post
    As a school using LP+ and Sharepoint all I can say is "All that glisters is not gold"!
    True, I can understand that, but if you've seen Fronter, you'd probably go for Sharepoint any day. I know I would. At least it glisters! Fronter doesn't even manage that!

    What problems have you experienced with them because I'd be interested to know.

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    i dont know if Fronter have released their new version which is powered by alot of Ajax and "widget" style apps but it did look alot better than what we had a demo of this time last year. no idea what stage the Ajax version was at. I find alot of people prefer something that looks good, compared to something that works well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaz350 View Post
    i dont know if Fronter have released their new version which is powered by alot of Ajax and "widget" style apps but it did look alot better than what we had a demo of this time last year. no idea what stage the Ajax version was at. I find alot of people prefer something that looks good, compared to something that works well.
    Well, I haven't really had much exposure to the looks of the final products, but looking at the backends of both Fronter and Sharepoint, I certainly felt more comfortable with Sharepoint than I did Fronter.

    Looks wise though, it does help if it looks good and personally, I can't see what about Fronter does!

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    I find the look and feel of Fronter to be quite good actually. Much better than Learnwise, and definitely suited to the age of the kids in our school (year 5 - 8).

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    and why dont people selling VLE's etc have demo sites, really, really, really annoys me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaz350 View Post
    and why dont people selling VLE's etc have demo sites, really, really, really annoys me.
    But we do!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaz350 View Post
    and why dont people selling VLE's etc have demo sites, really, really, really annoys me.
    Fronter do aswell, a fully functioning one that you can build yourself.

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    we have fronter and its bad all those stupid rooms and corridors glad i dont manage it. no AD integration for usernames is a killer

    plus the way our lea set it up if someone with the same name is in another school you get some stupid login name with numbers at the end.

    much prefer sharepoint

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    Quote Originally Posted by markcuk View Post
    we have fronter and its bad all those stupid rooms and corridors glad i dont manage it. no AD integration for usernames is a killer

    plus the way our lea set it up if someone with the same name is in another school you get some stupid login name with numbers at the end.

    much prefer sharepoint

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    You think unique names in the LA is bad? Try the whole of London! Yup, my Login ID stopped working the other day, and I was told since they integrated with the LGFL, all IDs across London have to be unique. SO I changed my username to just my first name!

    But yes, rooms, corridoors, it's a load of crap IMO.

    This is somewhere I feel Microsoft actually have the edge against it's competitors. My first impressions of Sharepoint was just so much friendlier than Fronter.

    I can't wait to see how RM deals with it once the BSF goes live!

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    Erm. Hate to burst anyone's bubbles but Sharepoint does not provide the same functionality as Fronter. It has no SIMS.net integration for the creation of classes/rooms. It doesn't have all the testing features of Fronter etc...

    Sharepoint quite simply is not a VLE. It is a CMS system which has various modules, such as the SIMS.net Web parts, which enable it to do various things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    . It has no SIMS.net integration for the creation of classes/rooms. .
    it will soon one school near me has been talking to microsoft about this

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    Quote Originally Posted by markcuk View Post
    it will soon one school near me has been talking to microsoft about this
    Also, considering that Sims is based on .Net Framework, it should be a pretty easy process, or at least you would think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Erm. Hate to burst anyone's bubbles but Sharepoint does not provide the same functionality as Fronter. It has no SIMS.net integration for the creation of classes/rooms. It doesn't have all the testing features of Fronter etc...

    Sharepoint quite simply is not a VLE. It is a CMS system which has various modules, such as the SIMS.net Web parts, which enable it to do various things.

    Your right SharePoint is not a VLE but does allow for several VLEs to be plugged into it - almost turning it into a Learning Platform. That is why lots of LEAs are taking the product up for their schools.

    SalamanderSoft have a product that will create classes for you in SharePoint. It pulls the information out from your MIS system (SIM.net or CMIS) and creates you classes, addeds you pupils and keeps them updated.

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