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    Railroaded into Sharepoint

    Well our group of schools that were working on getting a VLE have been railroaded into a Sharepoint 2007 one because the LEA has stumped up the money for the first year but after that we have to pay something like £7.5k a year for it.

    FFS!

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    Re: Railroaded into Sharepoint

    Quote Originally Posted by plexer
    Well our group of schools that were working on getting a VLE have been railroaded into a Sharepoint 2007 one because the LEA has stumped up the money for the first year but after that we have to pay something like £7.5k a year for it.

    FFS!

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    Could have been worse, you could have been lumbered with RM or Netmedia.

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    Re: Railroaded into Sharepoint

    @plexer
    A company or an LEA in-house version?

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    Re: Railroaded into Sharepoint

    oooo painful...

    I looked into integrating Sharepoint with a VLE / VLEs and it looked a pretty tough job. Is it Classserver based?

    Luckily we're using an LEA wide Moodle install - a collective sigh of relief was had when we heard that news.

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    Re: Railroaded into Sharepoint

    I know for fact that 50% of Secondary schools in our LA are happily using Moodle (There may be more but I don't know about them)
    We are to be pushed into Kalidos or Uniservity.... Becta approved

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    Re: Railroaded into Sharepoint

    Due to political reasons and possible legal action, I have withdrawn my opinions regarding the DLG. PM me for details.

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    Re: Railroaded into Sharepoint

    Grumble: LP+ so company provided one, supposed to be moving to shiboleth auth to it as well eventually.

    God knows what the LEA get up to.

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    Re: Railroaded into Sharepoint

    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNerd
    I know for fact that 50% of Secondary schools in our LA are happily using Moodle (There may be more but I don't know about them)
    We are to be pushed into Kalidos or Uniservity.... Becta approved
    Not East Sussex are you? As thats the 2 choices we have come down to. Apparently the 3rd option was the Viglen one and teachers seemed to love it but was knocked out due to not enough user base in the UK (something like that!). What we can't understand is that we are now being told that they will whittle it down to one and then discuss money. We ahve all said we want to know the cost first as that surely has to be part of the decision and tht way you can play them off each other to get a better deal. Other wise they know they are the only tender left so can charge relativly what they want!

    Never understand these things.

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    Re: Railroaded into Sharepoint

    Quote Originally Posted by TechMonkey
    Never understand these things.
    Oh I don't know, you seem to have a good grasp of negotiating tactics.

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    Re: Railroaded into Sharepoint

    Quote Originally Posted by plexer
    Grumble: LP+ so company provided one, supposed to be moving to shiboleth auth to it as well eventually.

    God knows what the LEA get up to.

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    The folks over there are a good bunch.

    They plan to work with a number of RBCs for federating into the Regional IDP over the next 12 - 18 months.

    Northants is also LP+ but the design and implementation will be heavily influenced by your LA. Make sure you have representation.

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    Re: Railroaded into Sharepoint

    We use sharepoint and could not be happier, but we use it in our school and the server is run from inside the school.

    Its a brilliant VLE as far as I can see.

    I also thought sharepoint licenses were free to schools? The only thing we pay for is the video streaming webpart.

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    Re: Railroaded into Sharepoint

    From what I understand, Sharepoint is free, but not Windows Sharepoint Services (WSS)

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    Re: Railroaded into Sharepoint

    Quote Originally Posted by TechMonkey
    ... Apparently the 3rd option was the Viglen one and teachers seemed to love it but was knocked out due to not enough user base in the UK (something like that!). ...
    The Viglen one ("it's learning") is actually quite nice from what I've seen of it. We had a demo account and it did seem pretty teacher-friendly. It is all hosted from one location at the moment though, where it originated in Norway, which is something they would probably need to change or at least beef up if they want to get a chunk of the UK market.

    If I couldn't get Moodle, it's learning would be my 2nd choice. After spending a lifetime of effort setting up older versions of classserver - probably the worst-supported microsoft product ever produced - I wouldn't touch it now with a brown sticky thing.

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    Re: Railroaded into Sharepoint

    Quote Originally Posted by webman
    From what I understand, Sharepoint is free, but not Windows Sharepoint Services (WSS)
    Other way round.

    WSS v3 (Windows Sharepoint Services version3) is free and is pretty spot on.

    SPS 2003 (Sharepoint Portal Server 2003) has now been upgraded to MOSS 2007 (Microsoft Office Sharepoint Server 2007) and include a heap more functions (including email via exchange, IM via Live Communication Server ... shortly to be upgraded to Office Communication Server 2008, and so on ... more details on the MS site).

    It is possible to integrate it very easily in an in-house solution but not with an external one.

    The basic idea behind SSO with an eternally hosted MOSS 2007 build goes something like this.

    Your RBC holds the Regional IDP ... the master Directory Services. This can then be hooked into by schools for SSO (shibboleth, yada, yada, yada) and this is nice and funky, giving user lever access to resources within the RBC including web filters, etc. YOu then get 3rd party companies that federate into the RBC's Regional IDP. So, you get a straight through connection .. sort of.

    This is going to take some work on the side of all parties.

    I'll hopefully explain more after a meeting on Monday.

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    Re: Railroaded into Sharepoint

    Ah, my mistake then. Either way Moodle trumps any MS offerings in the V(T)LE department :P



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