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    Article: RM Profits down as UK education budget redistribution takes effect


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    I suspect that the international arm of business will pick up in next quarter with improved funding (hoping) from us government for education and number of tenders being bid for (that assumes RM win some).

    Russ

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    Strangely enough we used to be an RM network here, moved away when we wanted more control. Just before my time that was, also I know two other schools who have left RM to become a Vanilla Network so perhaps people have lost faith?

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    Few things play role:
    1. Budget cuts, not only harnessing technology, but general school budget shrinks
    2. RM network is not cheap, at least in school view, so many will find it cheaper to run vanilla network with some additional tools to replace RM tools
    3. More and more Network Managers in school are now proper IT professionals, when in old RM CC2.4 and beginning cc3 days, there were lot of ex teachers/science technicians etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcymer View Post
    Few things play role:
    1. Budget cuts, not only harnessing technology, but general school budget shrinks
    2. RM network is not cheap, at least in school view, so many will find it cheaper to run vanilla network with some additional tools to replace RM tools
    3. More and more Network Managers in school are now proper IT professionals, when in old RM CC2.4 and beginning cc3 days, there were lot of ex teachers/science technicians etc.
    3) Also is a case of the tools provided don't give as much of a benefit as they used to. The cost vs benefit has swayed the other way. The only reason I can see it swinging back again is if IT bods start abandoning schools due to cuts, budget strangulation and conditions worsening so the school decides on a more managed solution with basic support in-house.

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    Over number one yes in UK but certainly not in rest of world (well not to degree are in the UK). As said think international arm will pick up for them..

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    Seen CC4 demo'd a few times to me - seemed to do a lot of cool things

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_Ted View Post
    Seen CC4 demo'd a few times to me - seemed to do a lot of cool things
    Oh it looks to do lots of very cool things, but most can be done with vanilla, Opensource tools or with a bit of scripting. Does the time saved by not having to get them yourself then justify the cost? This time round I don't think it does.

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    we need a 'like' button

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    Sorry RM is poorly over engineered, They rip schools off when It comes to licensing and are not the most reliable network in a school. In all I would not except an rm Network gift wrapped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PEO View Post
    ... and are not the most reliable network in a school.
    Where is your source of information for this statement? You can't just claim all RM networks are unreliable.

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    Like many have and are looking to do, we're wanting to move to a vanilla network and get rid of CC3. For one thing, it has too many quirks. For another, as mentioned, most of what CC4 offers can be achieved by other means. We've also found recently that RM's support isn't as good as we'd like it to be, high cost/low availability of spare parts, poor spec laptops (we've found better elsewhere that are RM compatible) etc.

    Mostly however, we're not happy with the cost. I would imagine that we'd take a closer look at CC4 if it wasn't going to cost us around £65k just for licenses, without even mentioning hardware upgrades, new servers and commissioning...

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    I've just got wind of a quote that RM done for a free school. Keeping in mind that the school requested an initial solution to provide them with a network that will start with 24 computers which will then increase to a maximum of 60 computers over the next 2 years.

    RM quoted for Rack mounted cc4 virtual setup
    San solution with redundancy
    Loads of other useless stuff

    How can RM engineers specking something like? Have they lost the plot!?!

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    Moved from RM to vanilla over a year ago and it has been an uphill struggle re-learning stuff that was done in the background by the management console. We had them in to quote for a possible return but they were far too high, even with our old licences being upgraded so looks like we will have to get ourselves on a MCSE or something like......

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBoyd View Post
    Moved from RM to vanilla over a year ago and it has been an uphill struggle re-learning stuff that was done in the background by the management console. We had them in to quote for a possible return but they were far too high, even with our old licences being upgraded so looks like we will have to get ourselves on a MCSE or something like......
    Keep at it mate. The learning curve is steep but well worth it!
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