+ Post New Thread
Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12
Results 16 to 29 of 29
vBCms Comments Thread, Article: RM Profits down as UK education budget redistribution takes effect in ; Originally Posted by mthomas08 Strangely enough we used to be an RM network here, moved away when we wanted more ...
  1. #16

    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    london
    Posts
    3
    Thank Post
    1
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Blog Entries
    1
    Rep Power
    0

    RM Network

    Quote Originally Posted by mthomas08 View Post
    Strangely enough we used to be an RM network here, moved away when we wanted more control. Just before my time that was, also I know two other schools who have left RM to become a Vanilla Network so perhaps people have lost faith?
    Anyone recommend a compnay that will help remove RM, and install other add on tools that would help manage PCs in classrooms and across the Acacdemy.

  2. #17
    machman's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    san antonio
    Posts
    10
    Thank Post
    0
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
    Rep Power
    0

    Lost Faith

    Quote Originally Posted by mthomas08 View Post
    Strangely enough we used to be an RM network here, moved away when we wanted more control. Just before my time that was, also I know two other schools who have left RM to become a Vanilla Network so perhaps people have lost faith?
    We used to have an RM network about 7 years ago but have been Vanilla ever since and to be honest I do not miss them , expensive , elitist , controlling.... resistance is futile , unless you get out of their grip...

  3. #18

    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    853
    Thank Post
    111
    Thanked 112 Times in 108 Posts
    Rep Power
    45
    Quote Originally Posted by machman View Post
    We used to have an RM network about 7 years ago but have been Vanilla ever since and to be honest I do not miss them , expensive , elitist , controlling.... resistance is futile , unless you get out of their grip...
    I moved from CSE to vanillia about 2 years ago and that was a hard job! couldnt imagine the work load to get rid of RM

  4. #19
    machman's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    san antonio
    Posts
    10
    Thank Post
    0
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
    Rep Power
    0
    Yeah , but it's much more satisfying looking after your own network and making executive decisions on hardware/software etc took me a year or so to straighten it all out but I'm pleased with our network , we even have our own exchange server , not that EMBC email thingy.. I did not like their mindset , like they all came out of the same thought factory

  5. #20

    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Wales
    Posts
    6
    Thank Post
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Rep Power
    0
    Stayed with RM as vanilla networks tend to be created in the shape of the current technician. Technician leaves, result, new technician takes nearly six months to unpick the previous work and then change it into their image. At least with RM I have some stability as I am not dependant on an individual technician.

  6. #21

    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    853
    Thank Post
    111
    Thanked 112 Times in 108 Posts
    Rep Power
    45
    Quote Originally Posted by exsupport View Post
    Stayed with RM as vanilla networks tend to be created in the shape of the current technician. Technician leaves, result, new technician takes nearly six months to unpick the previous work and then change it into their image. At least with RM I have some stability as I am not dependant on an individual technician.
    Welcome to the private world

  7. #22
    machman's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    san antonio
    Posts
    10
    Thank Post
    0
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
    Rep Power
    0
    I agree it's an easy path for some , just a very limiting and controlled one , for me it makes my job for satifying knowing I did this and that and fix it all myself rather than have some RM tech flick through pages on the phone with me ! whenever It falls over , but to each his own I guess

  8. Thanks to machman from:

    irsprint84 (18th April 2011)

  9. #23

    GrumbleDook's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Gosport, Hampshire
    Posts
    9,933
    Thank Post
    1,339
    Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,106 Posts
    Blog Entries
    19
    Rep Power
    594
    Quote Originally Posted by machman View Post
    I agree it's an easy path for some , just a very limiting and controlled one , for me it makes my job for satifying knowing I did this and that and fix it all myself rather than have some RM tech flick through pages on the phone with me ! whenever It falls over , but to each his own I guess
    However satisfying it might be for you, it might not been the most effective thing for the school ... without knowing a lot about your school I wouldn't want to say whether it is or not. There is a myth out there that folk using RM systems can't manage a vanilla network ... or that it has a seriously limiting nature. We have plenty of members on here that can show it is otherwise. A number of these folk only ring RM when something serious has gone wrong ... in the same way other might dig into MS support or Apple support.

    As for controlled? I've seen vanilla networks locked down far harsher than any RM system I have come across. It is not about the systems ... it is about the way people make use of them. This applies to most middleware, etc.

  10. 2 Thanks to GrumbleDook:

    sparkeh (18th April 2011), webman (18th April 2011)

  11. #24
    machman's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    san antonio
    Posts
    10
    Thank Post
    0
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
    Rep Power
    0
    I agree with you , it might be an effective way to manage a school as you say it's down to the school , and I agree that even most people on RM Would possibly be able to manage a vanilla network , my point is for me and the way I want to be able to work , We were with RM 4 years but found we have saved money and gained more from managing our own than to have it managed for us, I like to drive , and prefer not to be the passenger , I only knock them from personal experience not anyone elses , goes for most things in life some people get by and have no real problems with anything but some do , .....
    Quote Originally Posted by GrumbleDook View Post
    However satisfying it might be for you, it might not been the most effective thing for the school ... without knowing a lot about your school I wouldn't want to say whether it is or not. There is a myth out there that folk using RM systems can't manage a vanilla network ... or that it has a seriously limiting nature. We have plenty of members on here that can show it is otherwise. A number of these folk only ring RM when something serious has gone wrong ... in the same way other might dig into MS support or Apple support.

    As for controlled? I've seen vanilla networks locked down far harsher than any RM system I have come across. It is not about the systems ... it is about the way people make use of them. This applies to most middleware, etc.

  12. #25

    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Wales
    Posts
    6
    Thank Post
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Rep Power
    0
    As far as cost effective is concerned, with a vanilla network, you also have to weigh up the technician or network manager's wage, adding about 30% for on costs and then compare it with the cost of RM. Our solution is a semi managed network with some equipment guarantees e.g. Server and filters. We purchase our PCs from whoever we want and then add the RM stuff to them. We also employ a technician to assist us with development and the day to day stuff. I sleep at night because I have RM to rely on if my Technician should leave or become ill. There are times when I have found RM frustrating but when we had a major issue they were there to help me resolve the issue in a reasonable time frame.

  13. #26
    aleach2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Bracknell
    Posts
    64
    Thank Post
    9
    Thanked 17 Times in 16 Posts
    Rep Power
    15
    Quote Originally Posted by exsupport View Post
    Stayed with RM as vanilla networks tend to be created in the shape of the current technician. Technician leaves, result, new technician takes nearly six months to unpick the previous work and then change it into their image. At least with RM I have some stability as I am not dependant on an individual technician.
    Documentation?

  14. #27
    Disease's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    1,092
    Thank Post
    117
    Thanked 70 Times in 48 Posts
    Rep Power
    56
    As far as I am concerned any damage that occurs to RM as a business is a good thing. RM=Profit over Provision.

  15. #28
    JATSO's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    19
    Thank Post
    0
    Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
    Rep Power
    7
    We have dropped RM and some other schools are following.

    I was at a meeting last month and the RM rep seemed worried from the response from the floor when everyone stayed quiet at his request for any questions.

    Look out RM the milking cow is running out of milk!

  16. #29
    kcymer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    149
    Thank Post
    4
    Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts
    Rep Power
    15
    The biggest disadvantage of RM is cost. it is not bad tool, but for what it is, I don't think it worth the quotes they provide (I have RM CC3). Plan for this summer: remove RM servers, start with fresh domain under win 2008R2. Huge job, but I'm sure it will be worth it.
    There are more people in IT Windows network literate than RM network, so Vanilla is much bigger standard.

SHARE:
+ Post New Thread
Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 14
    Last Post: 6th July 2010, 08:57 AM
  2. Uh oh. Labour cutting education budget
    By Oops_my_bad in forum General Chat
    Replies: 49
    Last Post: 21st September 2009, 10:19 PM
  3. Replies: 5
    Last Post: 28th August 2009, 09:03 PM
  4. Replies: 12
    Last Post: 10th October 2008, 06:32 AM

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •