Thin Client and Virtual Machines Thread, Hyper-V Backup in Technical; Hi All,
Currently using Backup Exec 10 r3 with remote agents installed on our virtual servers performing backup to disk, ...
9th March 2012, 08:03 AM #1
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Currently using Backup Exec 10 r3 with remote agents installed on our virtual servers performing backup to disk, NAS and tape.
With the move to Hyper-V we now are looking at the Hyper-V agent in Backup Exec to backup the Hyper-V host rather than using the remote agents installed at the VM level.
Looking for advice on Hyper-V backups, we have SQL 2008, Exchange 2003/2010.
Last edited by Eben; 9th March 2012 at 10:55 AM.
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9th March 2012, 10:33 AM #2
Take a look at Veeam for Hyper-V. I've had all sorts of trouble with Backup Exec (2010R3 here) and I'd rather not depend on it to get my virtual machines backed up. I'm using Veeam with VMware and it's excellent. Ideally I'd like to move to a completely virtualised environment, use Veeam to back up all the machines and files, then just use Backup Exec to grab application-aware (AD, Exchange, SQL) backups - although I think Veeam will eventually have this feature too.
11th March 2012, 12:00 PM #3
We use Microsoft Data Protection Manager 2010 - works great for backing up our Hyper V hosts and VMs. Also if you have an EES licensing agreement with Microsoft it's included (so free!)
Good luck with it
11th March 2012, 12:04 PM #4
I looked at DPM but it had to have a physical disk allocated to it. I ended up going with VMWare Backup & Replication - ESX Backup - VM Backup | ShadowProtect Virtual which was pretty reasonable and backs up to a network share which i couldnt get DPM to do.
11th March 2012, 05:44 PM #5
You will need to migrate to Backup Exec 2012 - VRay Edition to backup your Hyper-V Hosts and VM's from the same console.
Veem for Hyper-V whilst looking good still doesnt support backing up the physical host which means that you still need two solutions if you want belt n braces.
I personally think Symantec have got it all wrong (again) with 2012, it's my bigest single nightmare at the moment, they have decided that existing users of BESR are "NOT" entitled to a genric cross grade and users of previous versions of Backup Exec V.X without valid maintenence will need to repurchase (no version upgrades offered).
However if your coming across from CA, DPM or almost anything else you do qualify for a competetive upgrade!
Basically if your a loyal existing Symantec Customer your back to square one.
I have just been on line and ordered my NFR Copy and as soon as I have had a chance to put it onto our Hyper-V server and tested it on our CSV I will report back.
You can expect to pay upto £700 per host server for BE V-Ray Edition which is a bit steep if you have 3 and 4 node clusters like some of my sites!
I looked at the Veem offering for Hyper-V it looks promising but it could be a version or two away before it covers all bases.
11th March 2012, 08:57 PM #6
I didn't know it was included in the licensing. How do I go about getting it under EES?
Originally Posted by rpycroft
11th March 2012, 10:13 PM #7
You'll find that DPM (Standard and/or Enterprise) Licenses can be added to your EES (OVS-ES) in addition to the initial (Standard/Enterprise) Desktop Platform Product.
12th March 2012, 09:44 AM #8
Same as usual then?
Originally Posted by m25man
12th March 2012, 11:44 PM #9
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Looking at the SCDPM and SCVMM route as we can get this as part of our EES agreement. I have a new backup server with 7tb of 15k SAS drives for B2D. I am looking to configure the HyperV hosts with failover clustering and use SCVMM and test the Live-Migration feature.
Has anyone any experience running SCCM as a VM?
13th March 2012, 09:22 AM #10
Not done it yet, but we are planning on running SCVMM as a VM during the next couple of weeks as part of our Hyper-V installation.
I asked the same question during Microsoft's webcast, "System Centre 2012 - An Overview" last Tuesday, and one of the Guest Speakers (Richard Lane, I think) answered during the webcast stating that SCVMM can be installed as a VM, and that's how he installs it.
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13th March 2012, 09:46 AM #11
Would iscsi disks not be enough?
Originally Posted by RabbieBurns
13th March 2012, 01:02 PM #12
My SAN is a fibre channel San and I wanted to run DPM as a VM. The server I am using for backups of the SAN is on another campus hence just backing up to a network share on that machine. Ive just installed Shadow Protect Virtual on the VMs, took 5 mins each and it was pretty cheap.
30th March 2012, 01:00 PM #13
Hi there, we have VMM installed on a virtual machine so yeah it can be done.
8th October 2012, 05:43 PM #14
One word: Veeam.
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