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    Veeam, how do you do yours?

    I think we're going to be using Veeam to back up our VMs once we get our new virtual environment installed, partly due to its technical merits and also as it will end up saving us money compared to buying Backup Exec virtual agents and support!

    Just wondering how people are setting it up in terms of where you're backing up to? I'm thinking of having a dedicated server (nothing too powerful), with some SATA 2TB disks in RAID5. Should also give enough space to house DPM backups for 2nd level of paranoia

    I'm wondering if some people run Veeam as a VM and then replicate the backups from SAN to a cheap NAS box, only issue I can see there is if the virtual environment disappears in a disaster you won't have a Veeam server to restore from unless you set another up.

    We also need to back the Veeam backups off to tape, maybe weekly or monthly so it could make the VM argument academic as I'll need a physical box to connect the tape drive up to anyway...

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    Got to be physical (actually it hasn't but you really don't want to go there - I did and regretted it). In our case Veeam box - Dell 2950 with 6x 1.5Tb drives raid 5. 1x HBA directly attached to SAN. Two drives C: and F: drive F have a Veeam folder with all jobs in subfolders. Jobs are split into services eg one job for apps, one for Exchange servers, one for sharepoint servers etc. These are backed up once a week, with more critical services eg DCs and MIS everyday. Jobs have on average 5 previous version. I have posted speeds of these elsewhere in this area. All jobs have a partner job which is identical that backs up to one of two QNAP boxes in another part of school just in case we get hit by a plane. Veeam box F: drive gets copied to LTO4 encrypted tape once a week. Tapes are retained for one month (one set in August is retained for 1 year). DPM on exchange, MIS, sharepoint and fileserver with a granularity of (on average) 2 snaps per day retention period of 60 days (SIMS done hourly retention period 10 days to cover lesson registration). BackupExec on physical machines (DPM, one DC, Veeam box, VMWare view broker, TMG). Another tape drive backs up fileservers to LTO2 in yet another part of school just for kicks.

    I've probably told you all of this already, if I have then apologies.

    Trust me this is the best way, unless you want to go for SAN remote mirroring which is better but cost sh*t loads of money.

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    Hey guys - I am looking at possibly purchasing Veeam to bacup my VMs.

    One Q I have is - does Veeam backup VM images and files via the VMWare ESXi servers or can it connect directly to the SAN and offload the data directly?

    Many Thanks

    Andrew

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butuz View Post
    Hey guys - I am looking at possibly purchasing Veeam to bacup my VMs.

    One Q I have is - does Veeam backup VM images and files via the VMWare ESXi servers or can it connect directly to the SAN and offload the data directly?

    Many Thanks

    Andrew
    Veeam uses either LAN or Fibre. To use fibre your Veeam box has to have an HBA that is zoned to see the SAN LUNs

    Dave O

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    Currently using LAN on iSCSI. So if the Veeam box had a NIC connected directly to my SAN network switch via iSCSI that would work?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butuz View Post
    Currently using LAN on iSCSI. So if the Veeam box had a NIC connected directly to my SAN network switch via iSCSI that would work?

    Thanks

    Andrew
    Sorry, not sure about iSCSI, best check with Veeam. Having said that the transfer rate over LAN is still good.

    Dave O

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    Definitely DL180 route with SATA HDs in that case

    Had a tip from someone the other day to get WD Enterprise drives instead of the HP ones... 5yr warranty and cheaper than the HP ones which are only 1 year warranty... might just look into that!

    The only other thing to decide on is whether to get the Essentials or Essentials Plus version... one does single item restore the other doesn't... about 1k difference but it's a one-off purchase so might be worth getting the functionality now and having two backup systems to cover everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butuz View Post
    Currently using LAN on iSCSI. So if the Veeam box had a NIC connected directly to my SAN network switch via iSCSI that would work?

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    Hi Andrew - I am Rick Vanover and I work for Veeam. Yes, if the Veeam Backup & Replication Server has a NIC directly on the iSCSI network, and the iSCSI initiator configured, the direct SAN access should work as expected to perform backups.

    You can poke around the Veeam Forums and you may be able to see others with similar configuration, but I don't expect an issue with what you've identified above.

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    Hi Rick,

    Does Veeam support VMs being stored on NFS? Just looking at the options if we go with an EMC VNXe SAN and whether that will make backups simpler or more complicated!

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    Veamm will work with NFS storage... I've tested it out with my NetApp box.
    Just need to find some cash for it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickVanover View Post
    Hi Andrew - I am Rick Vanover and I work for Veeam. Yes, if the Veeam Backup & Replication Server has a NIC directly on the iSCSI network, and the iSCSI initiator configured, the direct SAN access should work as expected to perform backups.

    You can poke around the Veeam Forums and you may be able to see others with similar configuration, but I don't expect an issue with what you've identified above.
    Hi Rick.

    Many thanks for signing up here just to answer my question. That is very impressive service.

    Welcome to Edugeek by the way!!!

    Butuz

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    Quote Originally Posted by gshaw View Post
    Hi Rick,

    Does Veeam support VMs being stored on NFS? Just looking at the options if we go with an EMC VNXe SAN and whether that will make backups simpler or more complicated!
    As said above, NFS is fine. It really comes down to what the Windows-based Veeam Backup&Replication Server can connect directly to. Cheers!

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