Thin Client and Virtual Machines Thread, Advice for Thin Client Solution in Technical; I would like some advice from people who already have a Thin Client solution in place too. We currently have ...
9th January 2011, 07:52 PM #1
Advice for Thin Client Solution
I would like some advice from people who already have a Thin Client solution in place too. We currently have some Chip/Jack PC's installed and they run a TS session and this all works fine. We are looking at expanding our Thin clients and I am wondering what else is out there that we could use instead of the Chip/Jack PCs.
I would want to stay with TS rather than go to VM View purely from a cost point of view.
Really what I am wondering is what other Thin Clients are there that I could use. They would need to be as low power draw as possible as we have issues with our Sub Station.
The idea is to replace as many workstations as possible with Thin Clients over the next few years to reduce our costs etc.
All sensible suggestions welcome.
9th January 2011, 09:40 PM #2
Good, low-power-draw dedicated thin client devices are available, but for the same price I'd go for ultra-small Acer Revos or a similar nettop device. They are standard PCs, so you can boot them with whatever OS you like - I'd aim to run a web browser locally on each device, with TS being used for everything else. This would reduce the processing needed on your TS servers. If you were going to boot the OS over the network anyway you could remove any harddrives from the PCs, reducing their power requirements.
Originally Posted by jayemm
9th January 2011, 10:33 PM #3
The axel thin clients are a good choice and at sensible price
9th January 2011, 11:16 PM #4
I don't disagree, but can you be a bit more specific as to why you find them a good choice?
Originally Posted by imiddleton25
10th January 2011, 09:14 AM #5
We use 10zig thin clients here - we do use them with a VDI setup (simlar to VM View but diff company) - only using Linux ones at the moment and you would need the Windows ones instead to run TS with all the fancy bits but they work great here.
10th January 2011, 11:05 AM #6
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10th January 2011, 11:36 AM #7
Have a chat with either kmount or linescanner on here as Cutter Project are without a doubt a sound and customer focused team who will make your thin client experience run like a dream and if it doesn't the support team usually answer with 10 mins.. We have a 9TS 150 Client setup with them and it has been superb..
3 Thanks to marekbrad:
Butuz (11th January 2011), kmount (22nd January 2011), linescanner (10th January 2011)
10th January 2011, 12:01 PM #8
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10pack of these was £450 - add a stick of ram, case, mouse and keyboard - PXE boot thinstation and you have a thin client with 1.6GHz processor and 2GB RAM for around £120
Thanks to CyberNerd from:
dhicks (10th January 2011)
10th January 2011, 12:25 PM #9
I agree they are an excellent choice. They are my #1 choice based on the reason below:
Originally Posted by dhicks
1. Cheap to buy
2. Very simple to maintain and thus super reliable (they boot their own O/S from a BIOS chip so no hard drive/flash drive and no operating system installation to maintain)
3. Very fast to boot - because of #2 they just grab a DHCP address and boot straight into RDP in a few seconds.
4. Very low power - they only use 5 watts max. (A suite of 30 axels use about the same power as my Quad Core desktop I am typing this on!!!)
5. Very powerful - the M80 can play youtube videos in 360p and run flash sites and animated software with no problems. The same can't be said for the majority of other thin clients under £200
6. Easy to manage - the axel management interface lets you turn them off / on / reconfigure / upgrade bios etc of hundreds of clients with just the click of the mouse.
7. They come with a VESA mount as standard. Unlike the majority of thin clients which charge extra for this.
They're a no brainer. Get one on trial and I challenge you to show me another thin client in the same price range that is anywhere near as good. I aint found one, and I've been looking. I could do with buying a lot more of them!! Now - anyone wanna buy 110 HP thin clients off me???
2 Thanks to Butuz:
Axel (10th January 2011), dhicks (10th January 2011)
10th January 2011, 12:38 PM #10
^What he said!!^ When we come to have a hardware budget again, and need to replace PCs, I'll be getting some more of these
Originally Posted by Butuz
2 Thanks to joe90bass:
Axel (10th January 2011), Butuz (11th January 2011)
11th January 2011, 10:12 PM #11
sorry for delay in replying one of the things not mentioned already is the ability to have multiple sessions configured and to switch between them so i have one on my desk with Virtual desktop (xendesktop) , ICA (for zen app), RDP ( 4 of these are set up so i can fast switch between the servers i am working on) then a quick ALT and Fkey (1-8) and i am in the correct session. Started using mine instaed of lots of rdp on my laptop to look at servers . The ease of management and updating are also a bonus. And with the recent firmware from Axel the ICA side has improved considerably
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dhicks (11th January 2011)
11th January 2011, 10:20 PM #12
As someone above recommended, I would 2nd that you may wish to find sometime to speak to Kim (kmount) or Andy Trevor (linescanner) from Cutter Project, 2 very knowledgful people in the area of VDI whom will be able to discuss all different kinds of solutions based on different products and technologies on the market.
I have used them in the past, using the Sun/Oracle VDI Software and Infrastructure and it works flawlessly and the administration is nice to pick up and simple tasks continue to become easier for the End IT Admin.
If you use Terminal Services at the moment, I'm not 100% sure but it might work out a bit cheaper using the Microsoft Technology. You can use Remote Desktop Services with the Desktop Virtulization options and throw in System Center for Easier Management.
Last edited by EduTech; 11th January 2011 at 10:22 PM.
12th January 2011, 11:38 AM #13
Agree, when you factor in cost with the features provided, they are a great offering.
Originally Posted by imiddleton25
I like the ChipPC solutions as they don't leave anything on the desk to be easily taken away, but you won't go far wrong with the Axel product line
22nd January 2011, 09:06 AM #14
Thought I would give you all an update. We have our Axel product on demo and I am very impressed.
I have now had a meeting with SLT to discuss our budget for next year, and basically at our school we can forget any major investment in ICT as our devolved capital grant has been cut by over 50%. I might just be able to buy the one we have on demo! (No joke)
22nd January 2011, 09:50 AM #15
If you have any old PCs still knocking around you could use thinstation to turn them into thin clients.
Originally Posted by jayemm
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