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Stick a backup device onto your Veeam box and back up the appropriate folders. Veeam backups create a single ...
10th January 2011, 08:42 PM #31
Stick a backup device onto your Veeam box and back up the appropriate folders. Veeam backups create a single file (large) per backup job with differential like files (relatively small) for each revision you keep. As long as a Veeam backup is not in progress then backups are just like backing up a file server. We do these backups to tape during the day as we know there are no Veeam jobs on the go and it does not impact any services.
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10th January 2011, 08:45 PM #32
how much does veeam cost?
10th January 2011, 09:42 PM #33
When we bought it back in March 2009 it was £240 per CPU
10th January 2011, 09:48 PM #34
Where did you buy the licences from?
10th January 2011, 10:01 PM #35
The LDD group?! Not sure if they still do it. Only really used them once.
11th January 2011, 06:52 AM #36
That looks like a good price, will have to look into it for my new VM solution.
Originally Posted by Dave_O
11th January 2011, 09:57 AM #37
In the same way as Dave_O, we also just do a basic file dump of the veeam backup files to disk.
We use a Disk 2 Disk solution though as Tapes do not have the capacity. We currently run a single 2Tb removable Hard Disk per day (5 days at present) which basically takes a copy of the veeam vbk files (using robocopy). The vbk files are the big files referred to in Dave_O's Post. If there was ever an issue (and there has been on a couple occasions here) the vbk on disk can be imported into veeam and then either individal files or the entire machine can be restored as normal. Currently the 2Tb disk holds about 1.2Tb worth and that is the accumulation of ~40 servers.
Also just to note, the disks are encrypted and only backup the most recent veeam job which runs the night before - this is solely for the purpose of disaster recovery (And end of year backups) we use the usual veeam backups on the server to recover anything during normal uptime
If you need any more info let me know
11th January 2011, 02:07 PM #38
We simulated this and we didnt lose a thing apart from the odd blank word document all our backups go offsite mainly using our won batch files... DR was no problem all we did was remote into the local Backup Server and the Offsite Backup Server and started transferring over everything that had been backed up - we have an incremental backup everyday and a full one on a Friday.
11th January 2011, 02:37 PM #39
I was thinking about putting a box down the other end of the building and having replicated backups done that way (original thoughts were based towards DPM) although we could do the Veeam way with the backup server in the server room and then pushing the previous night's files off to tape then shifting that around as we do now.
Does Veeam backup the VMs themselves or are there agents to install at all? Hazy memory suggests it's the first one but need to check it out again
11th January 2011, 05:54 PM #40
We sell both Veeam and vRanger and have found Veeam to be the most reliable, but vRanger to be far easier to use and work with. vRanger 5.0 is coming out on 17th January which offers a load of new benefits over the previous version and integrates the replication, but Veeam 5.0.1 is a rock solid solution, both have their merits depending on your solution. You will also need to remember that you need the full vStorage API's for either solution, which means you need to have a vCenter server running and licensed before they will function. As a third option you may also want to look at PHDVirtual, but we don't rate it when the other two are around.
As for licensing, vRanger is offering a new Essentials product that matches the VMware essentials one (cheap, up to three servers and 6 CPUs covered)
VMware are pulling out of offering backup solutions, so you can expect VDR to be dropped (as VCB already has been).
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