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    £10K

    So there is £10K to spend on improving back end systems. This means getting rid of some servers that are between 6 and 9 years old and hopefully moving to HyperV solution.

    What should I get? This is based on an old project that was shelved the other month due to lack of funds - but there is light at the end of the tunnel.

    Was thinking of 2 servers and a SAN. Has to be reliable. Had a quote from HP and fell of my chair.

    Gareth

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    £10k probably wont get you much to be honest.

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    How many virtual servers do you intend to run? What jobs will they be doing - i.e. SIMS, Exchange, etc? How much storage do you need on your SAN?

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    do you really need a SAN?

    10K isnt a huge amount of money if you are going down that route.
    for servers its worth looking at system builders who use Intel servers as these are solid and tend to be cheaper than options from Dell and HP tho they are a bit more barebones in terms of management and you are relying on the support from the company who supplied them

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    Forget the SAN, pointless in a school environment imo.

    This is what we have, cost around 10k

    6 x Dell R320's with 32gb RAM £1,100 each
    6 x 600GB Intel 320 SSD drives £612 each
    3 x Veam essentials 2 socket backup software £600 total

    Then maybe run 4 of those servers as hyper-v hosts (i'd recomend Microsoft Server 2012 as it has the clone option). We run about 19 virtual servers on those.

    Use 1 extra server for live cloning
    Use the other server as a backup server running Veam or for Manual virtual machine exports.
    Last edited by zag; 30th November 2012 at 01:29 PM.

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    pointless in a school environment imo.
    Why?





    Are the prices above inclusive of warranty?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by FN-GM View Post
    Why?

    Are the prices above inclusive of warranty?

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    Total Overkill imo. SANs are designed for huge data centers not schools with 1000 users

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    We have users into the 1,000's here

    You dont need a massive one, but they are shared storage at the end of the day. Ideal for failover etc.

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    Involving a SAN will blow that budget away in most cases. We built a (IMO) pretty decent VM solution for about half that.

    1 x HP ML385 G5P with 4 x 146GB 10K SCSI (20GB RAM, 1 socket)
    1 x HP ML385 G7 with 4 x 300GB 10K SCSI (16GB RAM, 2 sockets)

    Running ESXi. Could do with more RAM in both, but it's cheap, and they're only running 9 VMs between them. We then have an NFS NAS which handles the backups. We got a good deal on both, the second came with a free processor (£500 or so). We are only running ESXi Free, but it's okay for now, and it's not expensive to upgrade.

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    I'd look at 2x HP ProLiant DL360p Gen8 - Xeon E5-2... 670638-425 with more RAM, an extra CPU and basic disks, then one of these HP ProLiant DL380p Gen8 - no CPU -... 665554-B21 for the storage.

    Its basically what we've got here.

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    Sans are ot about the number of users they are about the amount of data and when you go virtual having a place to store data instead of having masive amounts of hard drives in the physical server that runs the virtual servers

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    Quote Originally Posted by zag View Post
    Forget the SAN, pointless in a school environment imo.
    Crikey, we have 2, we are doubley pointless!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by zag View Post
    Total Overkill imo. SANs are designed for huge data centers not schools with 1000 users
    We have 1200 users, 700 clients. We probably have, across a 5 period day, over 2000 logins a day in total, 5 days a week.......

    I dont think a SAN is overkill for that level of use

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    Spent £22k on virtualising a new network this summer, we have about 15 VMs (one per task), and host everything from a SAN (Which was about £13k). We have a MS HyperV Failover cluster, so two identical hosts for that.

    And we only have 600 students!

    However the fact that we can loose a whole server, loose 3 HDDs in the SAN and if one of the VMs dies we only loose the single service - its worth it imo. You can have all the power in the world and its nothing if you have no redundency. Currently arranging our second backup room to have air con and will use VEEAM to backup to our new NAS in there.

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    Hmm. Can't agree SANs are pointless in a school environment. Horses for courses, as they say. MAY not be required for some places, but VERY handy in others, I'd say.

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    How about this kit:

    SAN
    2U Supermicro 12 Hotswap Bays, Redundant 1200W Power supplies, Dual
    gigabit
    LAN, KVM remote management
    X1 intel Xeon E3-1230 3.2Ghz
    32gb
    DDR3 1333 ECC RAM
    X10 600Gb 3.5" 15K SAS
    4 port 6Gbps SAS Raid Controller
    Inc Battery back up

    2 x
    1U Supermicro 4 hotswap sas/sata bays Redundant PSU Supermicro
    ServerBoard,
    x4 GB LAN, IPMI
    X2 6 Core E5645 2.4Ghz Xeon CPU's
    128Gb
    DDR3 1333 ECC Registered RAM
    X2 500Gb Enterprise Sata
    * the servers above now have a total of x4 1gb lan ports with x1 dedicated
    LAN for remote management

    Any opinions? They are from ServerNation who were recommended to me by a fellow Edugeeker.

    Gareth

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