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    was at the 2nd network managers confernece today for Somerset Network Managers, unfiltered access will not be coming back, ELiM have stated today that staff proxy will now need to be used, got gven the whole spiel about pornography access by staff etc etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heebeejeebee View Post
    Eh? What's that? (pricks ears up).

    I don't ever remember seeing anything about that - but then again I didn't do the signing up to the SWGfL.

    We're activly looking into a backup ADSL link - any links to verify this restrictive piece of RM bo!$%ks?

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    Not RM ... this pretty standard across all RBCs as it puts risk on JANET. Remember that the SLA you have with the LA is cascaded down from the RBC which is cascaded down from their providers, one of which will be JANET ... and they are seriously against you having another connection on the network unless you play by some very serious rules.

    The same goes for the filters ... I don't know of any LA / RBC that would now be happy to give staff unfiltered access.

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    If we have our own filtering system and restrict who has access to to the resources surely that's enough to satisfy the RBC.

    I can't track any documents down about what hoops we need to jump through to have a failsafe route to the internet. I find it a bit ironic that they seem to want your backup connection to be from the same provider that would most likely be down at the same time. Surely a backup connection must be from someone else.

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    Staff proxy, dont get me started, <insert expletive> up my life this week.

    Unfiltered access is now a joke, logmein is broken and for a while none of the updates for nod or WUS worked. Teachers were complaining at why I couldn't download youtube videos and such.

    The current login procedure is <insert expletive> terrible, talk about kicking the <insert expletive> out of it. Do I need to be told every time I use the "service" that I will be in trouble if I look at pictures of naked women / men / donkeys? Do I have the attention span of a year 5 pupil?

    <insert expletive> you SWGFL!

    </rant>

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    We've been on this proxy for quite a few months, it's a royal pain in the ass but hey-ho, life must continue. Seems we were thrown on early because we needed to change IP ranges (they changed our proxies while they were at it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friez View Post
    We've been on this proxy for quite a few months, it's a royal pain in the ass but hey-ho, life must continue. Seems we were thrown on early because we needed to change IP ranges (they changed our proxies while they were at it).
    Progress makes things better! Oh wait....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICT_GUY View Post
    logmein is broken and for a while none of the updates for nod or WUS worked.
    What Friez said but logmein works here.

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    Any ideas why LogMeIn is working? I can't get it going here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdc View Post
    Any ideas why LogMeIn is working? I can't get it going here...
    I don't know if it's relevant but I put *logmein.com in the allowed list.

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    Thanks, that worked for me. I'd not tried the wildcard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumbleDook View Post
    Not RM ... this pretty standard across all RBCs as it puts risk on JANET. Remember that the SLA you have with the LA is cascaded down from the RBC which is cascaded down from their providers, one of which will be JANET ... and they are seriously against you having another connection on the network unless you play by some very serious rules.

    The same goes for the filters ... I don't know of any LA / RBC that would now be happy to give staff unfiltered access.
    Surely schools will need some kind of backup connections if the main one goes down and in my opinion they should be from another supplier and not part of the same line. When school are told to use VLEs etc that may be hosted elsewhere it is imperative to have backup lines for internet access for things like UCAS, VLEs and emails etc.

    The notion of the second line infiltrating the main RBC/JANET connection is valid but they should offer so guidance on how a school can a have safe second connection as well as the main connection provided by RBC. Saying that the second backup connection is against the rules and is strickly not allows seems plain silly.

    It is restrictive things like the above that puts people off the whole RBC thing in the first place. My biggest grip about RBCs in general is that they are looking at bolt on bits i.e. add-on to the services rather than looking at improving the the reliability of the core services i.e. reliable internet access, reliable web filtering and reliable email access and filtering. Providing some flexibility of IP address assignment or network design would also help as well rather than dictating what the school should use. If this break the grand SSO and Federated services (i will be suprised if RBCs get this done until 2012 if that) then be it and let the school become one of the identity provider in the whole SSO framework.

    Gone of the topic here slighly but the above points do need consideration.


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    Ref: additional backup ASDL links

    First we have heard about not being allowed. When we approached the LA about our requirements, they even suggested we should get an ADSL line and run our applications over it.

    I know of several other schools that also do this. We use the connection for email, and terminal server access.

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    I have now switched to the “smartcache.proxy.swgfl.org.uk” and with a local linux proxy server (I have setup to get around the 1 IP address problem), where back on unfiltered via my new linux proxy. (Better than that silly staffproxy login thing for us techs)

    P.S Our school received an email today with the following letter from The SWGFL.
    Attached Files Attached Files

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    Quote Originally Posted by MicrodigitUK View Post
    I have now switched to the “smartcache.proxy.swgfl.org.uk” and with a local linux proxy server (I have setup to get around the 1 IP address problem), where back on unfiltered via my new linux proxy. (Better than that silly staffproxy login thing for us techs)

    P.S Our school received an email today with the following letter from The SWGFL.
    We did the same; we have ISA proxying the feed (so we can secure the feed down to specific domain users and servers, etc) and our RM SmartCache 2 can still look at the normal filtered SWGfL proxy for all students and the remainder of staff on site. This solution essentially puts us the same position as before which is a result! :-)

    Cheers


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    Quote Originally Posted by philjones2000 View Post

    4. I explained that although I had no problem with them tracking usage, the implementation of the system was severely lacking. I was now facing entering 200 user names 1 by 1 into their web interface and telling my staff of the annoying go to login.staffproxy etc. way to get unfiltered access. She was sympathetic and would take my concerns into consideration but there was nothing she could do now.
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    Then you have issues like ensuring that none of these staff let kids know this information. But cover teachers can get hold of it. As well as it being an "all or nothing" approach.

    I'd also be reluctant to call something which only works in a few specific web browsers a "web interface" too.

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