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    I know that Exeter schools were - if any are on here, maybe they can post what they were up to.

    Really???!!! Im surprised by that! Would have thought there was a conflict there.

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    staff proxy is working fine here albeit a right pain for the techies! I don't envy the LA reps at the NMs meeting in tiverton next month, at the last one they got hammered because of the swgfl renewal costs

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    @ Bongo - you were there then! Which School you from? Im from KEVICCS (Totnes).

    They did get a hard time, and will do again this time me thinks. You coming to the meeting? Might be an idea for those going to bash some ideas around before hand...

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    I was and had to laugh at the swgfl hard sell before the figures came out!!

    Definitely going, I'm from Tivvy High so its a short walk up the hill for me

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    Am I missing something here but can't you turn off the filtering lists on the normal proxy? We can here...

    Can't those of you who have your own filtering solution simply do that?

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    I havent used the SWGLF admin filtering system for well over a year now, but i have just faxed off some headed paper so that i can get on and take a look.

    Are you saying that you can disable all filtering for all users from that cpanel?

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    You can disable or enable whatever you want BUT you do so for all users (we like a 'them and us situation' here

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    There is a new proxy server which can be used. It's the same as unfiltered but purely for wsus, sophos etc... but again still works as a unfiltered.

    If you give swgfl a call i'm sure they'll give you it.
    Feel free to PM me and ill pass it on.
    Last edited by flexyjerkov; 7th November 2008 at 09:38 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steele_uk View Post
    I havent used the SWGLF admin filtering system for well over a year now, but i have just faxed off some headed paper so that i can get on and take a look.

    Are you saying that you can disable all filtering for all users from that cpanel?
    Yes. You have complete control. But whatever you turn off is turned off for everyone. If you'd want to have your own filtering solution in school.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bongo View Post
    You can disable or enable whatever you want BUT you do so for all users (we like a 'them and us situation' here
    Yep, but if you have your own solution in school then this shouldn't be a problem as you can maintain 2 filtering systems onsite instead.

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    I can’t believe we where not given any prior warning apart from one document dated 2006 which I had never seen until it was dug up by the SWGFL

    The extra work involved with creating Staffproxy accounts that this has caused is such a pain. We have put time into making shore sufficient security in place on our network to stop any unwanted people using unfiltered.proxy.

    So why can't it be an option for individual schools to have it enabled?

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    Think it maybe because its unfair to have one rule for one school and another for another school. For us we've not had a problem with the removal of unfiltered as we had an idea it was coming once we found out about staffproxy.

    MicrodigitUK... I was probably one of them who kept getting through your security, Well thats if you were there 6 years ago.

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    SWGfL filtering options

    Hi All,
    I noticed this thread and thought that it might help if I gave a brief overview of the SWGfL filtering solutions/proxy servers.

    Standard SWGfL Filtering

    Using the standard SWGfL Filtering, which is accessed via cache.swgfl.org.uk or cache.<domain> (where <domain> is the school's domain name) you have the option to manage the level of filtering that is applied to the school, via the SWGfL Filtering website https://admin.filtering.swgfl.org.uk

    The SWGfL filter lists, that can be enabled/disabled by ticking or unticking the box next to the filter list are:

    Content
    SWGfL Drugs and Substance Abuse List
    SWGfL Intolerance List
    SWGfL Violence List
    SWGfL Pornography and Illegal or Age-Restricted Activity List
    SWGfL Proxy Bypass List


    Services
    SWGfL Web-Based Chat List
    SWGfL Web-Based Mail Services List
    SWGfL Mobile Phones/SMS/Ring Tones List
    SWGfL Web-Based Social Networking List
    SWGfL Non-Educational Games List


    Download
    SWGfL Banned .exe Download List
    SWGfL Banned .mp3 Download List


    In addition to this, you have the option to create additional permit or deny rules for both URLs and search terms, which override the above filter lits.

    From within https://admin.filtering.swgfl.org.uk, the other available options are to enable or disable the school's filter lists and to enable or disable access to Staff Proxy. These options can be found under 'Local admin details':

    Your Filter List Enabled

    Allow Use of staff Proxy until <date>


    Under 'User Management' you can create and manage Staff Proxy users.


    As has been mentioned in an earlier post, it is possible to disable all filter lists within the SWGfL Filtering Administration website, which would give you an almost entirely unfiltered internet connection but this is not advisable as this is a global change (per establishment) which would mean that all users in the establishment would have an unfiltered internet connection.


    SWGfL Unfiltered Access

    Users browsing via unfiltered.cache.swgfl.org.uk or staffproxy.swgfl.org.uk will be routed via the SWGfl Staff Proxy servers. This is a filtered proxy service with the additional option of logging in to Staff Proxy to gain unfiltered access. This is done by entering login.staffproxy in the address bar of your web browser and then entering valid username and password for a user who has been granted access to login to Staff Proxy.

    Note that unfiltered access does not mean unmonitored access and all unfiltered access via Staff Proxy is logged in the same way as access by the SWGfL filtered proxies.


    In addition to Staff Proxy, the SWGfL has proxy server (smartcache.proxy.swgfl.org.uk) which has historically been used to provide an unfiltered upstream connection to SWGfL content delivery and caching servers (SmartCache 2) with SafetyNet Universal installed. This is to ensure that only one level of SafetyNet Filtering is applied, to ensure that schools have full control over their filtering solution without the risk of upstream filtering overriding rules applied to the local filtering solution.

    Access to smartcache.proxy.swgfl.org.uk is using an IP access list, which is designed to permit access from only 1 IP address within a SWGfL establishment.

    Due to the recent removal of the SWGfL unfiltered proxies, a decision has been made to allow other local filtering solutions access to smartcache.proxy.swgfl.org.uk, for the same reasons as access is granted to SWGfL content delivery and caching servers. As a responsible educational ISP the SWGfL are doing as much as possible to ensure that the smartcache.proxy service is not abused, as such, access will only be granted to a single IP address and only following confirmation that the IP address has been assigned to a local filtering solution such as SmartCache 2, WebSense, Equiinet, Blox etc.

    If you are in a position whereby you have a local filtering solution that requires an unfiltered upstream connection, you can request access to smartcache.proxy.swgfl.org.uk by logging a call with the SWGfL help desk and then arranging for the school head to send a signed fax, on school headed paper, stating that you agree to abide by the terms applied to usage of the service.


    I hope this helps to clarify the options available - Please feel free to drop me a PM if you have any questions.

    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    Hi All,
    In addition to Staff Proxy, the SWGfL has proxy server (smartcache.proxy.swgfl.org.uk) which has historically been used to provide an unfiltered upstream connection to SWGfL content delivery and caching servers (SmartCache 2) with SafetyNet Universal installed. This is to ensure that only one level of SafetyNet Filtering is applied, to ensure that schools have full control over their filtering solution without the risk of upstream filtering overriding rules applied to the local filtering solution.

    Access to smartcache.proxy.swgfl.org.uk is using an IP access list, which is designed to permit access from only 1 IP address within a SWGfL establishment.

    Due to the recent removal of the SWGfL unfiltered proxies, a decision has been made to allow other local filtering solutions access to smartcache.proxy.swgfl.org.uk, for the same reasons as access is granted to SWGfL content delivery and caching servers. As a responsible educational ISP the SWGfL are doing as much as possible to ensure that the smartcache.proxy service is not abused, as such, access will only be granted to a single IP address and only following confirmation that the IP address has been assigned to a local filtering solution such as SmartCache 2, WebSense, Equiinet, Blox etc.

    If you are in a position whereby you have a local filtering solution that requires an unfiltered upstream connection, you can request access to smartcache.proxy.swgfl.org.uk by logging a call with the SWGfL help desk and then arranging for the school head to send a signed fax, on school headed paper, stating that you agree to abide by the terms applied to usage of the service.
    Hi Chris, many thanks for the heads up. :-) I’m not sure of your involvement with SWGfL if any so please forgive me if I’m asking the obvious (information from SWGfL is generally not forthcoming and is akin to getting blood from a stone!)!

    I have been informed by someone that shall remain nameless that your post was just “forum gossip” however today I noticed this on the SWGfL website: South West Grid for Learning Trust - SWGfL News

    Currently on our site we have an RM SmartCache as our local proxy. This is used by all users on site (Staff and students); this in turn uses the “proxy.swgfl.org.uk” proxy.

    We had also been using the “unfiltered.proxy.swgfl.org.uk” proxy purely for unfiltered tech support ‘net access and server ‘net access.

    I am finding the staff proxy/update proxy is next to useless and have to keep changing proxies to get at things. In some cases, regardless of the proxy used I just can’t get at / do things that I ought to be able to!

    If our school selected to use the “smartcache.proxy.swgfl.org.uk” as suggested in your post could we proxy this (with ISA Server for example) internally for technical support/update purposes (essentially giving us a secure unfiltered feed) and continue to use our RM SmartCache 2 to proxy the feed from the “proxy.swgfl.org.uk” proxy? If so that’s what I’ll suggest to our senior team as this would put us back in the exact same position as we were prior to 06th Nov 2008 which is essentially what I want from SWGfL! :-)

    Cheers


    Ben
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    Quote Originally Posted by bgarston View Post
    Hi Chris, many thanks for the heads up. :-) I’m not sure of your involvement with SWGfL if any so please forgive me if I’m asking the obvious (information from SWGfL is generally not forthcoming and is akin to getting blood from a stone!)!

    I have been informed by someone that shall remain nameless that your post was just “forum gossip” however today I noticed this on the SWGfL website: South West Grid for Learning Trust - SWGfL News

    Currently on our site we have an RM SmartCache as our local proxy. This is used by all users on site (Staff and students); this in turn uses the “proxy.swgfl.org.uk” proxy.

    We had also been using the “unfiltered.proxy.swgfl.org.uk” proxy purely for unfiltered tech support ‘net access and server ‘net access.

    I am finding the staff proxy/update proxy is next to useless and have to keep changing proxies to get at things. In some cases, regardless of the proxy used I just can’t get at / do things that I ought to be able to!

    If our school selected to use the “smartcache.proxy.swgfl.org.uk” as suggested in your post could we proxy this (with ISA Server for example) internally for technical support/update purposes (essentially giving us a secure unfiltered feed) and continue to use our RM SmartCache 2 to proxy the feed from the “proxy.swgfl.org.uk” proxy? If so that’s what I’ll suggest to our senior team as this would put us back in the exact same position as we were prior to 06th Nov 2008 which is essentially what I want from SWGfL! :-)

    Cheers


    Ben
    Hi Ben,
    That post took me ages to write - Fancy someone ruining all my hard work by suggesting that it was forum gossip

    Seriously though, the information in my post was definitely accurate, as you have seen from the SWGfL website.

    I will drop you a PM with some more information about smartcache.proxy.swgfl.org.uk.

    Many thanks,

    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    As far as I know, contracts that schools and LEAs sign with SWGfL specify that you aren't allowed to install a second, non SWGfL line...
    Eh? What's that? (pricks ears up).

    I don't ever remember seeing anything about that - but then again I didn't do the signing up to the SWGfL.

    We're activly looking into a backup ADSL link - any links to verify this restrictive piece of RM bo!$%ks?

    HBJB

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