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    Re: Script to track user logins

    Like I said, it depends on your network requirements, we don't need to pull off stats for printing and such and certainly don't need to build a database with the information in. Some schools may - for what purpose I have no idea.
    Yes Yes you can view these stats in the event viewer, but if I am sitting at a PC and what a quick view I just open up the txt file my script wrote.
    Thats why I offered it, security is not a problem - [ with the script running and loggin on the c: drive - which is being held in a policy - Stations ---> Computer Config ---> Security Settings ---> File system] , the logs being held on the local pc is not my problem on my network as thats how I wrote the script to intend to work, ON OUR NETWORK.
    The original poster may like your solution, he may like mine - who knows ? As long as he gets some ideas as to how he is going to solve his requirements - thats what counts.

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    Re: Script to track user logins

    security is not my problem
    Oh dear. You should never take this attitude. You should always strive to be reasonably secure in whatever your setting up. Yes there's usability and cost implications to balance but it's worthwhile in the long run.

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    Re: Script to track user logins

    You have taken that statement out of context Geoff, maybe I should have worded it better - security is not my problem with this script I wrote which allows write access to the C: drive of a folder - [ which is controlled through a policy anyway... ]

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    Re: Script to track user logins

    @Uraken - I'm with you on that one.. I got mine going to a PHP/MySQL DB, but need to add options on how to query who sat where & when
    Also need a way of trapping the IP address..

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    Re: Script to track user logins

    security is not my problem with this script I wrote which allows write access to the C: drive of a folder
    Yes it is, consider the following questions:

    1) What happens if the hard drive fails?
    2) What happens if the PC is stolen?
    2) How can you backup these audit logs?
    3) How can you limit the length of time these logs are kept?

    Now these points only cover data security issues. There's probably plenty more I can think of.

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    Re: Script to track user logins

    Geoff - I think your nit picking and generally being a pratt now.

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    Re: Script to track user logins

    Take a look at FWNUA http://fwnua.sourceforge.net/ it might be of use.

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    Re: Script to track user logins

    Geoff - I think your nit picking and generally being a pratt now.
    Wikipedia to the rescue.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

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    Re: Script to track user logins

    Wikipedia to the rescue.
    I think someone needs to come to your rescue Geoff.

    Someone wanted some advice on logging details etc, people including myself offered solutions and ideas and you seem intent on just knocking them for it or finding holes.

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    Re: Script to track user logins

    Someone wanted some advice on logging details etc, people including myself offered solutions and ideas and you seem intent on just knocking them for it or finding holes.
    Sorry, but the thread does not reflect your version of reality if you review it in full.

    NetworkGeezer first raised the issue of security:

    Quote Originally Posted by NetworkGeezer
    The problem with these solutions is that they involve scripts running in the security context of the user.

    This is means that a student could find the log/semaphore file and just delete it
    This viewpoint was backed up by further posts by NetworkGeezer, Cybernerd any myself. I even took the trouble to cite some example scenarios where your specific solution will lead to undesirable outcomes.

    How is a DPA breach 'nit picking'?

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    Re: Script to track user logins

    Geoff - I don't give a monkey's bum about your backed up viewpoints.
    I was offering a possible solution as to how to log certain information. You seem intent of just picking holes in it. For someone who is supposed to be a staff memeber I find your attitude of trying to help other people pathetic.

    Shame there is not an ignore option so I can just filter out your posts as they are about as much use as a Betamax videorecorder.

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    Re: Script to track user logins

    @Matt
    Give Geoff a chance ... he will pick holes if he sees them ... not for the sake of it but to allow people the chance to fix them.

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    Re: Script to track user logins

    Rather than throwing personal attacks at me because you seem unwilling/unable to address my specific concerns. How about I help you out and give a few reasons where it's 'ok' to put security further down the list of priorities?

    Security is always a compromise with other factors, these are generally some kind of cost to the system for implementing a defined level of security. There are several ways you can qualify this cost, either in monetary, manpower, performance or usability of a system. There are others, but these are the main ones you should be concerned with.

    So in the specific example we have here, we could say we can't physically afford a server to centralize the logging. We could say we don't have time to do it. We could also say it would slow the login/logout times too much or cause too much extra network traffic.

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    Re: Script to track user logins

    Personal attacks ? Hey, I am not the one attacking someone's suggestion / post / script.
    I have to say Geoff, I love your buzz word bingo manager speak. I've heard it all before in a previous role working for a very large company.

    Give Geoff a chance
    Yeah right...

    Shall we put this to bed now ? [ Sorry, shifting into Geoff Speak there ]
    I have a feeling though Geoff will no doubt examine my future posts / scripts and contributions and no doubt pick holes in them.

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    Re: Script to track user logins

    I have a feeling though Geoff will no doubt examine my future posts / scripts and contributions and no doubt pick holes in them.
    No more or less than anyone else's, including my own.

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