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    Re: Teachers installing illegal software on laptops

    Hehe...had their content been of something other than male apendages I might have

    Was like a folder of Knockwursts!

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    Re: Teachers installing illegal software on laptops

    Quote Originally Posted by Jake
    For some peculiar reason they seem to be under the impression that the laptop is *theirs* and not the schools.
    Haha, that is exactly what she said to me when I told her she couldn't do it. She corrected herself afterwards though saying "okay, well it's the schools really but I still use it".

    I have the offending laptop in my office now. I have audited it and found the download of office 2007 in the recycle bin. It doesn't appear to have ever been installed (it would overwrite the current install of office 2003 wouldn't it?).

    A bittorrent client was installed though as well as traces of bearshare. There was also about 50 downloaded MP3s and quite a number of downloaded TV episodes and movies via both bittorrent and bearshare. Office 2007 was the only trace of any software being downloaded and/or installed that shouldn't be there.

    All downloaded copyrighted material has been removed and replaced with a readme file stating why it has been deleted and the potential consequences. I'm hoping the son will read it as it is obviously him that is downloading all this.

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    Re: Teachers installing illegal software on laptops

    Office 2007 and 2003 work alongside each other unfortunately _Bat_

    We have very few laptops and mostly admin access, just restricted if there's a problem. It's nice for the IT Head to be able to download and install OSS, and I trust he is very particular about licensing issues. Still, we have the odd hiccup with his with software conflicting etc..

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    Re: Teachers installing illegal software on laptops

    Ok ... how about giving them this piece 0f information for those that say 'it is my laptop really so I can do what I want'.

    In March '06 the Chancellor of the Exchequer decided to remove the tax exemption for IT equipment used for work purposes. The knock on effect of this is that the HCI (Home Computer Initiative) was wound up with a number of business being suddely liable for tax on equipment they purchased for their staff.

    What it means for teachers is that they are only allowed to use the laptop for work purposes. If they use it for personal stuff they are liable for tax ... them .. not the school.

    We have even amended our laptop signing out contract to mention this.

    Go on ... be nasty ... you know you want to!!!

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    Re: Teachers installing illegal software on laptops

    If your senior management are aware of and willing to take the risk involved, then why get so stressed about it. it doesn't *really* affect you, and you'd just be peeing into the wind the whole time. If you've done what you can, it's not your neck on the line anymore.

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    Re: Teachers installing illegal software on laptops

    Quote Originally Posted by monkey_boy
    If your senior management are aware of and willing to take the risk involved, then why get so stressed about it. it doesn't *really* affect you, and you'd just be peeing into the wind the whole time. If you've done what you can, it's not your neck on the line anymore.
    I'm not stressed about it, just annoyed. I think I sound more stressed then I really am in a lot of my posts, haha, i've realised that now. They are usually just rants though. I have to rant here though cos quite frankly everyone else just switches off when I mention the word "computer" .

    I am determined though that the school or anyone else isn't going to get into trouble because of stupid mistakes like this, which is why I'm now auditing all the laptops. No-one else is going to check, so I'll do it.

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    Re: Teachers installing illegal software on laptops

    I'm about to starting wriitng a BOFH style AUP policy for staff

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    Re: Teachers installing illegal software on laptops

    Quote Originally Posted by GrumbleDook
    Ok ... how about giving them this piece 0f information for those that say 'it is my laptop really so I can do what I want'.

    In March '06 the Chancellor of the Exchequer decided to remove the tax exemption for IT equipment used for work purposes. The knock on effect of this is that the HCI (Home Computer Initiative) was wound up with a number of business being suddely liable for tax on equipment they purchased for their staff.

    What it means for teachers is that they are only allowed to use the laptop for work purposes. If they use it for personal stuff they are liable for tax ... them .. not the school.

    We have even amended our laptop signing out contract to mention this.

    Go on ... be nasty ... you know you want to!!!
    I am in conjunction with the business manager at one of my schools looking at doing the exact same thing when we replace all the teachers laptops this year.

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    Re: Teachers installing illegal software on laptops

    I think MS 2007 is pretty rubbish anyway, bloatware at that...

    the fact that staff can install software onto laptops is bad enough, they should be properly locked down, no isp install discs, no usb modems, only wireless and ethernet connections to their home broadband.

    Pirated software should not be used in industry, licences should be paid, as the usage is for profit, i do not quite agree with educational licencing, especially for primary and secondary, as infact we dont make a profit, however we should still comply fully.

    Pirated software at home i find a grey area, as theres no real way of catching anyone, and most of the time people who pirate photoshop wouldent buy it anyway, because it costs £300, same with dreamweaver ect. But chances are the same people will learn how to use that software and then go and use it in industry - a legal version.

    Im not saying be lax on it, im saying i can understand why there is piracy.

    Music, tv and film is different.
    If a film looks really good, il goto the cinema and see it, if a band i likes playing, il go see them, buy some merch, if a tv programmes on, il watch it.


    This is what a pirate does. (not me)

    If the film looks okay and its not out in england yet, theyl watch it.
    If a band they likes CDs on bittorrent, emule, theyl listen to it. If its good or if its not on p2p theyl buy it.
    If a TV show is on in america 6 months before england theyl watch it.

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    Re: Teachers installing illegal software on laptops

    Quote Originally Posted by apoth0r
    Being the only ICT Techie and also having the role as a Teaching assistant, i'm heavily overworked, and just do not have time to check all laptops
    Wish I could rid myself of this Teaching Assistant tag - getting my foot in the door seems to have been a big mistake
    Wait until they discover that you could be useful for teaching ICT to release staff for PPA time, and offer you the chance to go for HLTA status!!! :twisted: How many hours do you do?

    For the same reason, our staff laptops don't get checked as often as they should do. I hit a problem with Senior Management suggesting we should just install a certain Microsoft program on a few laptops that had missed out on it when they were purchased, using one of the discs we had but without paying for extra licences. Fortunately I found a news article that someone at the LEA had circulated and I have filed at the front of my software licence file, showed it to them, and that seemed to solve the problem. I'm at home at the moment, but will look it up when I get in and post the link here.

    Mind you, does anyone really understand all the licensing options that Microsoft offer...???

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    Re: Teachers installing illegal software on laptops

    I found porn on a teachers laptop. Pulled her aside and had a quiet word with her. turns out that she lets her son use it, he had installed some rubbish download program and got busy downloading the stuff. Told her that if i do find any thing of a sort e.g. porn, software, anything illegal, then i would take further action. Left it at that.

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    Re: Teachers installing illegal software on laptops

    This is the link to the news article I mentioned, regarding the use of illegal software in schools:

    http://www.ukauthority.com/articles/story1608.asp

    It is about a year old, and I can't personally verify the source, but I have a copy filed in the front of my software licence file for use in difficult circumstances! Quote from this: "The government has given us the tools to support this initiative with the Copyright, etc. and Trade Marks (Offences and Enforcement) Act 2002 which increased the penalties for certain copyright offences from two years to ten years to underline the seriousness of copyright offences and strengthened search warrant provisions. The message is clear: if head teachers, schools governors and even LEAs allow the use of illegal software then it may be fast track to a criminal record."

    Does the trick here anyway!

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    Re: Teachers installing illegal software on laptops

    We have begun carrying out spot checks on certain staff laptops, and find such things as limewire etc on them as well as the reset; one even had a vista on!

    At present we just remove the machines after 2 warnings and ghost them via ghost cast, it takes 10 mins and hand them back, and keep doing it until they get the message. It is starting to work!

    This comment is the opinion of myself and not my employer/team

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    I found limewire on a few laptops and lots of games where teacher's obviously loaned the laptop to their families! I clamp down it and uninstall anything like this. We are only just getting an AUP into effect now as our LEA is forcing us to make them. Personally though I think the LEA should make the AUP not the school as it can get quite in depth and how do you know you have covered every eventuality? I think it needs a security expert to write an AUP. I have tried my best with what resources I had but I still think there is holes in it. I should not be lying in bed thinking about things to put in the AUP, there should be a set of AUP rules set out from the LEA, if they want us to have them, then they should provide them!

    What software do you guys use to restrict teacher laptops? Do you just prevent them installing software and changing settings?

    Another issue we find is laptops being used on the net at home, when people use a school laptop at home on the net they bypass all our filtering and security in school, surely this is a massive threat to the network when it is reconnected. Personally I think that any laptop connected to the net outside home should be checked over before reconnection at school, but you can't possibly do this every day.

    If I put in our AUP that people can't use their laptops at home, all hell will break lose, but I won't have any viruses or spyware to worry about in future.

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    Re: Teachers installing illegal software on laptops

    How about simply informing staff that under no circumstances can they install ANY software. If they need anything installing they must come via yourself.

    If they fail to understand that, they shouldn't be teaching our children.

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