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    Re: Covering ourselves when it comes to policing porn viewin

    Isn't surfing for pr0n part of the job of technical support 8O

    I can't see management making a fuss if your protecting the kids from inappropriate material - it's in their interest that someone does it. You should probably discuss this further with your headteacher and explain your concerns, I'm sure they will be supportive.
    (and trucrypt your hdd just incase )

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    Re: Covering ourselves when it comes to policing porn viewing

    Also what about the mental scarring from this sort of thing?
    Are we offered any sort of councelling, NO!!!
    I have come across unsavoury material and i just delete if it is porn or anything unsavoury, but if it was anything to do with Paedophelia whether it be pupil or staff member I would be very careful. I would isolate the account if on the network or the Laptop and inform the following: first the Headteacher if he is not involved secondly LEA and thirdly the police having documented everything first I would then get a valued and trusted memeber of staff to be your witness and to sign any documentation to that fact. Also as you actively engaged in viewing this material whatever it is you are liable to prosecution from the legal position as we as network managers were supposed to be excempt from prosecution due to a white paper going through parliament which at the last minute fell to a revamp and therefore we are not covered.

    It beggars belief that we, who are given the duty of being responsible for
    the safety of the network and it's endusers are in the most vunerable position due to the inadequacies of the law.

    Rock and a hard place spring to mind on this one.

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    Re: Covering ourselves when it comes to policing porn viewing

    Thankyou Bossman. These are exactly the type of concerns I have. It's the Police involvement that worries me, not what SMT will think.

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    Re: Covering ourselves when it comes to policing porn viewing

    SMT Hmmmmmm now let me think (mindless stupid tw.ts) springs to mind here hehe.......

    yes woody your darn right it is m8

    life is like a game of chess ( youv'e always got to cover your ar.e

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    Re: Covering ourselves when it comes to policing porn viewin

    If your worried about the police take a look at

    http://www.jisclegal.ac.uk/publicati...opriateuse.htm

    If child pornography or obscene materials are found, there is no option but to involve the police. Due to the nature of the crime an institution and its IT department also needs to consider whether anything beyond a superficial investigation is advisable. Current law affecting institutions in Scotland with regard to child pornography is to be found in the Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982 s 52 and 52A (the Protection of Children Act 1978 is the relevant legislation for the rest of the UK). The current wording of the legislation presents a dilemma for institutions and their investigation teams.

    This states that

    'any person who . makes any indecent photograph or is in possession of an indecent photograph or pseudo photograph of a child is guilty of a criminal offence.'


    In strict legal terms this means that if an investigator looks at the images on a desktop he is, according to the letter of the law, technically committing a criminal offence. If when investigating he 'makes' a photograph by copying to preserve the evidence he is committing a criminal offence. There is a defence in law of 'legitimate reason' but the damage may very well have been done before getting to the stage of having to defend a course of action.

    The logical extension of this is that an institution, in asking that an IT Director or other employee investigates an alleged instance of child pornography, may find itself effectively asking him to unwittingly commit a criminal offence in the course of such an investigation. Although the police have stated that in such circumstances it is highly unlikely that there would be a prosecution, the fact remains that in strict terms of current criminal law a breach has been committed and a risk of prosecution exists.

    There is currently an added problem, certainly for those institutions based in England and Wales, in that The Sexual Offences Bill 2003 proposes that it is not an offence to 'make' a photograph if you have been authorised to do so (by the police). The implication is that if you have not been authorised you must not investigate. This Bill is a result of the Government's desire, given the publicity surrounding Operation Ore, to have a robust policy with regard to crimes against children. If the Bill becomes law, as presently drafted, any investigation without authorisation will be a criminal offence. It is currently under review and hopefully lobbying will result in an amendment to the Bill. Although this proposal does not apply to Scotland it could reasonably be expected that similar legislation would be enacted here.
    As we need to be vigalent as to what is on our network this presents a problem.... I would just ensure that you report any and everything. Ensure you line manager knows the minute you find anything and then put in place the schools policy.

    I recently had to get the police in due to images that came in on a memory stick and after showing them to the police they decided the "girl" photographed was over 16 but I was glad I got them in.

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    Re: Covering ourselves when it comes to policing porn viewin

    In response to the comments in this Topic so far I would add the following information for anyone who might need to make use of it.

    Firstly, I would support wholeheartedly what has been suggested by Techmonkey and Pete. Should any School Technician or Network Manager be asked to investigate the existence, or otherwise, of inappropriate material on their employer's behalf, they should proceed very cautiously. If any evidence of illegal material were to be found and the evidence were to be acquired in a manner not compliant with version 3 of the ACPO guidelines, then the likely result is that any "evidence" could be deemed to be inadmissible by a Judge, should the matter end up in a court.

    Effectively this means that; to pull the plug on workstations, pull the plug and remove the battery on Laptops, and a Server should be powered down in the normal way. This would be the appropriate advice if ACPO compliant evidence were to be collected. After that, isolate and protect the equipment and then ring the LA or the police.

    However, if the nature of what might be viewed is suspected to be an image of child abuse or an indecent image of a child then, or in fact such an image is viewed then additional "rules" apply.
    There is currently in effect a Memorandum Of Understanding between the CPS and ACPO, which sets out the guidelines as to a defence, in law, for circumstances that might lead to someone inadvertently or deliberately viewing or reproducing such an image for the purposes of detecting such a crime. In essence, Police Forensic Specialists would have relied on this MoU in order to carry out their work, although any prosecution of them for carrying out their specific duties would obviously be deemed not in the public interest.
    It is now thought that this MoU may, in part, have been superseded by the Sexual Offences Act 2003, which also allows some similar defence.

    The bottom line is that you should treat any computer equipment/Mobile phone in the manner described above and that you must not, under any circumstances, make copies or print any images that appear to be indecent images of children. If you happen to accidentally view such an image, act as described above. Do not seek advice on the image from the Headteacher, they would not be in a position to judge it any more so than you, and you should not ask anyone else to view that image or encourage them to do so. This would be helping to proliferate any crime.

    Also consider isolating any backup tapes or devices that may also hold a copy of any questionable image.

    Most Local Authorities have the ability - in house - to investigate equipment in an appropriate manner. I am sure they would gladly do so upon request from any Headteacher.

    The above information does not in any way constitute legal advice, but should be considered as good practice; and if complied with should afford the fullest protection to the school and its staff.

    Should anyone wish to receive a copy of the MoU then just drop us an email and we will forward a copy to you.

    Andrew Ramsden
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    andrew.ramsden@zentek.co.uk

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    Re: Covering ourselves when it comes to policing porn viewing

    Hi Andrew

    Sound advice...

    Another thing is document everything get a notebook and write everything you do.

    Second if call police, also call lea and also get in touch with director of your rbc (if item was view or downloaded from your net connection). Main reason rbc are use to handling these situations for example lot of rbcs are use to being visited by fbi and uk fbi what ever it is called and can help produce logs etc.

    Russ

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    Re: Covering ourselves when it comes to policing porn viewin

    Quote Originally Posted by TechMonkey
    Problem with that approach Dan is that you have to be very careful if you think anything is suspect at all. We have been given guidelines by county that say if we come across anything suspect/dodgy at all we have to force power off (Out at the plug or pull battery out of laptop), not touch any keys at all, defnitiely not investigate any further, lock the machine away and report it to protect ourselves.
    Now this is obviously OTT if it is just smutty. But internally we have decided that if we find something we don't follow links off the main page found, we infomr the other memeber of the team that something was found and if it is a member of staff in form the Head.
    So if the images are in a users area on the server do you unplug the server??

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    Re: Covering ourselves when it comes to policing porn viewin

    Quote Originally Posted by TechMonkey
    Problem with that approach Dan is that you have to be very careful if you think anything is suspect at all. We have been given guidelines by county that say if we come across anything suspect/dodgy at all we have to force power off (Out at the plug or pull battery out of laptop), not touch any keys at all, defnitiely not investigate any further, lock the machine away and report it to protect ourselves.
    Now this is obviously OTT if it is just smutty. But internally we have decided that if we find something we don't follow links off the main page found, we infomr the other memeber of the team that something was found and if it is a member of staff in form the Head.
    So if the images are in a users area on the server do you unplug the server??

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    Re: Covering ourselves when it comes to policing porn viewing

    I would think common sense would prevail here and the user account be suspended so only administrator can access. Switching off the server would indeed be OTT in my opinion. Quite frankly having read all there is on this thread i feel there is very good advice being given out and if people are sensible and follow a set procedure which has been passed by the governing bodies at the school then they have nothing to fear.

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    Re: Covering ourselves when it comes to policing porn viewin

    Hi Buzzard,

    I would support Bossman's view that common sense should prevail, however it would ultimately depend on the severity of the image in question.

    If the image in question is of an extreme nature, and were thought to be "illegal", then you should ask your local Police to attend and take a look. Hi Tec Crime Unit, Abusive Images Unit or CID. Their opinion would be necessary.

    However, if that approach were to be taken then be prepared for them to shut your Server down at the time of viewing and take it away for forensic examination!

    If you had such an image, and were genuinely concerned, and are within an hour's travel of Manchester i would be willing to send one of my Technical Directors along. FOc, to view on your behalf. She is an expert in Paedophilia and worked for GMP Abusive Images Unit for 6 years. (and she won't take your Server away).

    Additionally, if you or anyone reading this wants to contact me I would be happy to send them/you a USB pen drive that will scan your network drives/home user areas/laptops for any inappropriate images and provide you with a report as to what has been found and where. FOC.
    Just request by email to andrew.ramsden@zentekforensics.co.uk


    Good luck

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    Re: Covering ourselves when it comes to policing porn viewin

    Should we be regularly looking for 'inappropriate material' on our networks and staff laptops? If so how?

    Because I work in a junior school I would expect that I'm unlikely to come across anything more extreme than a picture of a scantily clad female from a year 6 boy with developing hormones.

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    Re: Covering ourselves when it comes to policing porn viewin

    Just wanted to bounce this topic.

    I have only been in this role for 5 months and have spent most of that time bringing the 4 year out of date network up to scratch (SP 2 !!)

    apart from doing a network search of .JPG or .MPG files what is going to be the best way to search for any material ?

    This especially goes for staff laptops as I have managed to find 2 that have LIMEWire loaded on them..

    advice would be really appreciated

    Thanks
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    Re: Covering ourselves when it comes to policing porn viewing

    We use a combination of Counterspy to search for P2P software and we are looking at Pixalert for skin tones and so on in pictures.

    We have a demo of PixAlert arranged for a few weeks time hopefully and I can give fuller feedback then.

    The other thing we have is ICT Teachers randomly looking at home areas. Anything they are not happy or sure about they log the kid off and let us know immediately. The home area is search by a member of the team with a second person (support staff or reliable teacher) looking on.

    Anything of an illegal nature is referred immediately to the Child Support Officer and CEOPs

    We are reviewing our eSafety policy for the school to be based on County guidelines that will be published shortly.

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