School ICT Policies Thread, Inappropiate Images in School Administration; Regarding internet bans - we have setup smoothwall with limited user licences - anyone on a ban is forced through ...
9th March 2009, 12:47 PM #16
Regarding internet bans - we have setup smoothwall with limited user licences - anyone on a ban is forced through that proxy rather than the regular one and then can only access a limited allowed list of sites such as vle etc. This allows students to work still but not use rest of the internet.
9th March 2009, 12:47 PM #17
@Stuart C - I agree 100% that we should enforce whatever the school policy is, but in the case of banning pupils from computers because of inappropriate images, I believe that policy to be flawed, potentially to the detriment of their learning, and in need of changing.
If a kid was messing around in class, would you tell them "because of that you must do the lessons without your text book for the next 2 weeks"? If they were found writing threatening notes, would you ban them from using pens for 2 weeks? No, of course not!
Why does it matter if the offence is electronic or not? If a kid is found to be cyber-bullying someone, your anti-bullying policy would kick in, you wouldn't just ban them from the network. Why is it one punishment for IT-related offences and one for other offences?
9th March 2009, 02:52 PM #18
There are some times when I agree and sometimes when I disagree with school policies, and I hate to use the "I'm only following orders" line but at the end of the day we are employed by the school to do a job. Part of that job includes the enforcement of school policies. We can't pick and choose which aspects of the job we want to do.
SMT get paid a lot more than me and it's up to them to make the descisions. I'll quite happily advise on what is technically possible, potential problems (and give my own tuppence worth ) but at the end of the day it's up to the SMT to decide how things are run in "their" school.
I do feel that we overuse the banning (which kids see as a joke punishment anyway) and you are right (as we are the same) why have a different set of punishments for behavioural problems in ICT rooms than in the rest of the school. Might mention that at some point, thaks for pointing out something really obvious that I totally failed to see.
9th March 2009, 03:35 PM #19
I pass these to SLT who then 'discuss' the matter with the parents/guardians after showing them the image in question.
An agreement is usually reached between the school and the parents - a short Internet ban usually and a stern telling off at home (worse than anything we could do because what self respecting parents wants their kid looking at porn in school?).
9th March 2009, 04:00 PM #20
We have a PLO (Pupil Link Officer) team who take all behaviour problems on-board and I just give them the proof of misbehaviour at student level and they deal with it it's as easy as that, what they do is structured from SLT so I don't get involved only if we get some stroppy parents and the SLT need Technical Knowledge to deal with the query.
We have an AUP which is sent to all new year 7s prior to them starting and these are then kept on file for later reference any Student not bringing in a signed reply slip does not have access to the IT facilities and all parents are aware of this.
We also have a usage policy on our website which states if the enduser is accessing the schools IT that in itself warrants the AUP and this is backed by SLT.
16th March 2009, 03:17 PM #21
We had a particularly strong incident of this kind here last week. While reviewing our file auditing logs I noticed one student had added more than 600MB in a single day. When I inspected his documents it turned out to be a single .mpg, over an hour long. Clicking through a few frames while on pause quickly demonstrated it was hardcore pornography (thankfully nothing that would class it as extreme).
I went straight to SMT with my findings. Both the student in question, and another student he identified as supplying the file via a USB stick, have been given a one-day exclusion after both sets of parents were called in. They have also had their guest access to the wireless network revoked.
16th March 2009, 03:25 PM #22
You should post them up on edugeek first using the /img tags for us to see & then pass judgement on. We can then advise you the course of action that should be taken.
Originally Posted by webby74
16th March 2009, 03:38 PM #23
I send it though to the House Office to deal with, no point getting into dealing with it myself. Normally though they call me in to speak to the student as sometimes they true and pull the wool over their eyes.
Had an incident where a student saved all the Page 3 girls into his area, 4 week internet ban. Oh and another who deicded to find a computer in the school to search for porn. Shame his parents were called in to the school and shown the screen shots (About the only time Securus works)
16th March 2009, 03:44 PM #24
I hope you mean that you send the issue to House Office, not the material - that would be illegal...
Originally Posted by rad
16th March 2009, 03:47 PM #25
They get an email and if they want to see the screen shots I'll show them.
If the kids aren't given evidence they lie.
Whats illegal about that?
16th March 2009, 04:05 PM #26
What's illegal about distributing pornographic images? Hmm, now let me think....
Originally Posted by rad
16th March 2009, 04:20 PM #27
if they're asked for...not a lot?
16th March 2009, 04:22 PM #28
- Rep Power
I think you should call the parents in.
Oh - and can you send me a copy
16th March 2009, 04:34 PM #29
So, people hosting web sites with this material on are committing no crime either, since people are choosing to browse to the site and asking to see what is on it, right? Of course not - distribution is distribution, and is illegal, regardless of the motivation behind it.
Originally Posted by Domino
I saw something once on a Police web site somewhere which specifically said not to forward them illegal material in emails - unfortunately, I can't find it just now...
16th March 2009, 04:44 PM #30
what makes you think pornography is illegal?
maybe your local newspaper shop has an illegal top shelf then....?
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