+ Post New Thread
Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12
Results 16 to 30 of 30
Recommended Suppliers Thread, Smartboard Supplier in Purchasing and Trading; Not being biased on this one Benefits of Electromagnetic board over touch sensative. 1. Hardwearing - You cannot damage it ...
  1. #16

    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Blackburn, Lancashire
    Posts
    123
    Thank Post
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Rep Power
    0

    Re: Smartboard Supplier

    Not being biased on this one


    Benefits of Electromagnetic board over touch sensative.


    1. Hardwearing - You cannot damage it easily when kids hit it with things

    2. Higer resolution - because the circumference of the end of your finger is about 1-1.5 cm rather than 1-2mm of a pen, there is resolution loss on touch sensative boards.

    3. You can lean on the electromagnetic board with 1 hand while writing with the other. If you do that on a touch sensative board the pen will jump between the 2 points.

    4. You do not have the hover function on the touch sensative boards so you cannot use tooltips in software

    5. You do not have a right click button for selecting menu's

    Personal one - When in life do you use your finger to write? On windows when they steam up!!

  2. #17

    TechMonkey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    South East
    Posts
    3,282
    Thank Post
    225
    Thanked 403 Times in 300 Posts
    Rep Power
    161

    Re: Smartboard Supplier

    Quote Originally Posted by drjturner
    Not being biased on this one

    Benefits of Electromagnetic board over touch sensative.

    1. Hardwearing - You cannot damage it easily when kids hit it with things
    Well we haven't had one wrecked yet as I said but if you have heavy things flying around in a classroom then yes, get a hard board.
    2. Higer resolution - because the circumference of the end of your finger is about 1-1.5 cm rather than 1-2mm of a pen, there is resolution loss on touch sensative boards.
    You do get pens with them, but I doubt high resolution are a benefit of either technologies. If you want high resolution you are looking at a graphics tablet. But saying that i have demonstrated to the Art Dept some software to a high degree, got a very nice tree if I remember correctly. A mixture of finger, knuckle and a light touch. From what I can find they have very similar resolutions (in the XGA range)
    3. You can lean on the electromagnetic board with 1 hand while writing with the other. If you do that on a touch sensative board the pen will jump between the 2 points.
    You can but why? I can't see any comfortable position that would entail leaning on the board with one hand while writing with the other. Admitedly when starting out to start with I find teachers rest their writing hand on the board but that soon goes after the first few uses.
    4. You do not have the hover function on the touch sensative boards so you cannot use tooltips in software
    You can hover with smart boards. Move the cursor over the area you want and remove your finger, or hold finger over the area. Don't forget a click is a definite tap, not just having touched an area.
    5. You do not have a right click button for selecting menu's
    There is a hardware button on the bottom of the boards for right-click. Possibly not as convienient as on the pens but stops accidental pressing by kids as they use them
    Personal one - When in life do you use your finger to write? On windows when they steam up!!
    On touchscreens and smartboards I enjoy using my finger and I know alot of the kids do as well, possibly because it is different. Takes me back to finger painting the living room wall with out the hefty yelling after

  3. #18
    Face-Man's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    London
    Posts
    577
    Thank Post
    11
    Thanked 58 Times in 40 Posts
    Rep Power
    70

    Re: Smartboard Supplier

    Personally I prefer smart... though I found out 25% of the company is now owned by Microsoft. That's why they are tightening up on there software licence which makes it illigal to use it unless your school owns a smart board and you are using it to create resources for that board see
    http://www.smarttech.com/support/software/takeHome.asp.
    which stop you usinging on a different IWB.
    The new version of the software is a lot better (eg Gallery search) you can get that at
    http://www.smarttech.com/support/software/index.asp

  4. #19

    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Blackburn, Lancashire
    Posts
    123
    Thank Post
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Rep Power
    0

    Re: Smartboard Supplier

    Quote Originally Posted by Face-Man
    Personally I prefer smart... though I found out 25% of the company is now owned by Microsoft. That's why they are tightening up on there software licence which makes it illigal to use it unless your school owns a smart board and you are using it to create resources for that board see
    http://www.smarttech.com/support/software/takeHome.asp.
    which stop you usinging on a different IWB.
    The new version of the software is a lot better (eg Gallery search) you can get that at
    http://www.smarttech.com/support/software/index.asp
    Where did you find the info about Microsoft?

  5. #20

    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Greater Manchester
    Posts
    218
    Thank Post
    5
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Rep Power
    0

    Re: Smartboard Supplier

    I have used CDN Networks in most of my schools and they have been great. Very good tidy installs, highly competitive prices and great customer service.

    www.cdnnetworks.com

    Ring Don Wilson direct on: 07976931007

    Much better then certain suppliers used by the LA

  6. #21

    witch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Dorset
    Posts
    11,042
    Thank Post
    1,314
    Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,623 Posts
    Rep Power
    692

    Re: Smartboard Supplier

    "teacher like to stick things to them with blue tack....you cant do that one a smart board. "

    Oh yes they can, or rather they think they can!! Fun and games for me, as they often tell me there is a problem and then remove the blue tack before I get there!

    I have Smart boards in one school and Promethean in the other. There are no particular usage issues - none of the teachers seem to pine for the other sort of board. BUT it has to be said that the Prometheans take far more maintenance - they are forever losing their grip on the laptops and the pens and power supplies go wrong fairly often.
    All I can say about suppliers is - DON'T get Promethean to do it, because whoever they use are useless - I had to have the engineers back 6 times to solve problems caused by squashed wires or bad connections or speaker prblems!

  7. #22

    webman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    North East England
    Posts
    8,400
    Thank Post
    636
    Thanked 961 Times in 661 Posts
    Blog Entries
    2
    Rep Power
    319

    Re: Smartboard Supplier

    We have grown to about 17 Promethean ACTIVboards now, with more planned later in the year. The staff and pupils love them here with departments virtually fighting for the money to have them. Each "one" costs just over £2000, which includes projector, IWB, software, installation etc. Only two have needed an engineer visit (replace controller board) since we've had them as well. We also use serial port connections on all of them, USB is just too unreliable. The only thing that annoys the teachers (and eventually, us.. ) is the quality of the plastic pens. In the last batch, the majority of them had cracks in the casing and fell apart easily around the orange band. Apparently the new pens are better and have a soft-touch nib that doesn't click.

  8. #23
    ChrisC's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Dorset
    Posts
    767
    Thank Post
    2
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
    Rep Power
    18

    Re: Smartboard Supplier

    We have3 used Smart boards at this school for about 3 years, no problems whatsoever.

    Promethian boards have been at the primary school i support for about a year, and have had 2 gone down with dodgey boards (where the circuit underneath has gone dodgey)and nibs from the pens stolen. In terms of the resources they offer for primary is great, everyone loves it, but for secondary, i'd say smartboards are better.

    Chris

  9. #24

    john's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    London
    Posts
    10,498
    Thank Post
    1,488
    Thanked 1,049 Times in 918 Posts
    Rep Power
    301

    Re: Smartboard Supplier

    Quote Originally Posted by webman
    Apparently the new pens are better and have a soft-touch nib that doesn't click.
    Yup they do, and staff are not keen on them as they feel very different to use, I hate them, fine I am not a big promethean fan (anybody in NY want a Smart techie ) but the old pens, pre teletubby pens IE the black ones with a white end were the best pen ever, they have gone stupid with the fat pens, they just are pointless in Sec Ed as a lot of staff find them to fat and have less control, a lot of staff are getting the thin normal whiteboard pens by berol, the hand writing type over the chunky style as they far prefer them over the other types, but if I had to have chunky IWB pens, the old gen ones were better with the click helped you know if you had clicked or not, this one just is useless to know if you have or not.

  10. #25

    webman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    North East England
    Posts
    8,400
    Thank Post
    636
    Thanked 961 Times in 661 Posts
    Blog Entries
    2
    Rep Power
    319

    Re: Smartboard Supplier

    Quote Originally Posted by john
    but the old pens, pre teletubby pens IE the black ones with a white end were the best pen ever
    Absolutely, totally agree, as do most of the teachers who were the first to get IWBs back in 2003 when they had black pens. Over the the years they've been replaced with the fatter ones, but we do still have a small handful left in existance

  11. #26

    john's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    London
    Posts
    10,498
    Thank Post
    1,488
    Thanked 1,049 Times in 918 Posts
    Rep Power
    301

    Re: Smartboard Supplier

    I think I have about 3 left, with a couple in rather poor state, no button in them any more but still click which is good. The two that wihtout Right Click on them have my name on them, and when I leave I will be taking them with me so I have them for if I have to deal with them in the future.

  12. #27

    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Blackburn, Lancashire
    Posts
    123
    Thank Post
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Rep Power
    0

    Re: Smartboard Supplier

    Quote Originally Posted by john
    Quote Originally Posted by webman
    Apparently the new pens are better and have a soft-touch nib that doesn't click.
    Yup they do, and staff are not keen on them as they feel very different to use, I hate them, fine I am not a big promethean fan (anybody in NY want a Smart techie ) but the old pens, pre teletubby pens IE the black ones with a white end were the best pen ever, they have gone stupid with the fat pens, they just are pointless in Sec Ed as a lot of staff find them to fat and have less control, a lot of staff are getting the thin normal whiteboard pens by berol, the hand writing type over the chunky style as they far prefer them over the other types, but if I had to have chunky IWB pens, the old gen ones were better with the click helped you know if you had clicked or not, this one just is useless to know if you have or not.
    Can I ask you why you think the Promethean pens are too fat when you favour smartboards and the pens are even fatter.

    Can I just say another thing. When we had the black pen and only the black pen in production, teachers would complain about the quality grey right click buttons falling off, pen nibs falling out. etc etc. And teachers asked for fatter pens for students to use.
    I think it is just getting used to the new mk3 pens that is obviously going to take some time, just like using a different mouse really.
    I think the mk3 pen feels more natural and like the smartboard you don't have a click. Newer users should not have a problem.

    Pens Cracking. This was fixed in the mk3 pens only under very high stress the pen will break.

    If you have any faulty pens or psu's send them back if within the 1 year warranty and we will replace them.

    Another thing to try if a pen is not working is to reset the activboard this always helps as after all they are left on for the majority of the year without being reset.

  13. #28

    russdev's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Leicestershire
    Posts
    6,915
    Thank Post
    708
    Thanked 549 Times in 364 Posts
    Blog Entries
    3
    Rep Power
    204

    Re: Smartboard Supplier

    Quote Originally Posted by Face-Man
    Personally I prefer smart... though I found out 25% of the company is now owned by Microsoft. That's why they are tightening up on there software licence which makes it illigal to use it unless your school owns a smart board and you are using it to create resources for that board see
    http://www.smarttech.com/support/software/takeHome.asp.
    which stop you usinging on a different IWB.
    The new version of the software is a lot better (eg Gallery search) you can get that at
    http://www.smarttech.com/support/software/index.asp

    I thought you where allowed to install smartboard software on any machine as long as didnt have an interactive board of some kind connected to it unless it was a smartboard...

    russ

  14. #29

    webman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    North East England
    Posts
    8,400
    Thank Post
    636
    Thanked 961 Times in 661 Posts
    Blog Entries
    2
    Rep Power
    319

    Re: Smartboard Supplier

    @Dan Turner: Would it not be possible to provide people with a choice of which pens to purchase rather than having one model as the "current"?

    Re: the black pens: Yes, 2 of ours have had the grey right-click button tops come off, but they were a good pen and a lot of people did like them and get used to them.

  15. #30

    john's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    London
    Posts
    10,498
    Thank Post
    1,488
    Thanked 1,049 Times in 918 Posts
    Rep Power
    301

    Re: Smartboard Supplier

    Quote Originally Posted by drjturner
    Can I ask you why you think the Promethean pens are too fat when you favour smartboards and the pens are even fatter.
    The smart pens feel nothing like the promethean pens to use, they feel different, they are no longer just a round barrel with the new boards and pens, they are more comfortable to use and in general just feel a more quality product. The promethean pens are just the wrong size, as you said the Smart ones are larger, but yours are smaller, so its a size thing, I personally prefer a small pen like the V1 black pens you did or a very chunky pen that is not shaped like yours are, the proportions feel wrong on it to me, its all bottom heavy where as a normal pen is evenly distributed in terms of weight. When I am teaching on a Smart (note teaching means training staff) I use either my finger on the Smart boards or the Smart Pen. In my role as a consultant, young primary children find the Promethean pens the wrong shape and too small to use, so they need to be bigger, fatter and chunkyer, basically a Smart Clone will be fine for them, as they get older in Primary, the Smarts are still fine, but they start to manage with a MK2 type pen, but when you hit Secondary, MK1s were the better product, but they can manage with a thicker pen, and the new MK3 pens are not fun to use, Any subject where accuracy is critical (geography, maths, design, graphics etc) seem to have great dificulties with the MK3s as you cannot definatly tell when its clicked or not, so it makes drawing more difficult, and double clicks are not easy any more, and when you adjust the mouse options on the system so it works, then its hopeless with a standard mouse for when you are using your Laptop or PC without the board. So my view is MK3 was not a good move, and I would rather have MK2 pens as you don't have MK1s.

    Quote Originally Posted by drjturner
    Can I just say another thing. When we had the black pen and only the black pen in production, teachers would complain about the quality grey right click buttons falling off, pen nibs falling out. etc etc. And teachers asked for fatter pens for students to use.
    I can agree with the click button, but that was only on one type, I had two version of the black pen, one lot with rubber buttons and one lot with plastic, one lot the buttons never went missing, but the others did. I think the rubber ones went missing easier and got easily damaged, but plastic, as in a current pen, was fine. I never had missing nibs, infact they seemed indestructable back then, where as now they are so soft, in some areas I am going through 1 nib a week!

    As for the size, Berol and other standard pen makers are doing, why not do a thick and a thin pen then you will keep us all happy, those who want a slimline pen can have them and those who like a fat chunky pen can have them as well?

    Quote Originally Posted by drjturner
    I think it is just getting used to the new mk3 pens that is obviously going to take some time, just like using a different mouse really.
    I agree, its going to take time, but its time that we have not got, I get staff wanting older pens again as they clicked and they could feel what was going on, its like giving us mice that don't click or feel like they click when you press them, Its annoying, I know I have a mouse that hardly feels like its clicked down!
    Recently, I have been swapping pens to try and help Staff out as they just don't seem to be able to get used to them, and they have not got an hour or two spare to play with them.

    Quote Originally Posted by drjturner
    I think the mk3 pen feels more natural and like the smartboard you don't have a click. Newer users shoul not have a problem.
    Seems that way, my new users are finding it easier with them, but then when they get an old one, they start complaining its not "clicking" as there own does because they are not pressing it till it clicks, so we need to standardise click or no click, thats the question! I say give me my click back, its like my old friend gone missing

SHARE:
+ Post New Thread
Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12

Similar Threads

  1. Experience of Supplier
    By TechSupp in forum General Chat
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 18th December 2007, 05:02 PM
  2. Recommend me a good HP supplier
    By tosca925 in forum General Chat
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 12th October 2007, 07:15 PM
  3. Supplier Guidelines
    By GrumbleDook in forum Recommended Suppliers
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 3rd November 2006, 12:41 AM
  4. 5.25 bay speaker supplier?
    By eejit in forum Hardware
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 5th August 2006, 03:23 PM
  5. New Educational Supplier
    By BWI-Systems in forum Recommended Suppliers
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 17th August 2005, 10:52 AM

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •