Office Software Thread, Open Office v MS Office in Technical; Originally Posted by ZeroHour
Apple are worse, nothing other then a mac opens those damn files. They are FAR worse ...
22nd January 2009, 03:03 PM #16
Possibly, but even iWork can open and save Word/Excel/Powerpoint files. Less face it MS-Works, iWork, OpenOffice, Google Apps, and more besides, can all open MS formated documents. So why worry about open standards, we have a standard.
Originally Posted by ZeroHour
It's one of the reasons we can consider switching to OpenOffice without causing compatibility problems.
OpenOffice also as the advantage of being truely multi-platform. Mac/Linux/Windows it's all the same version of the same software.
22nd January 2009, 03:23 PM #17
Originally Posted by tmcd35
which standard .doc 97,xp 2000/2007 ? none of them seem to have any discernible degree of compatibility in different versions of office. besides, The old .doc is now legacy. MS have moved on, they have implemented their own version of .odf in their docx implementation soon they will support .odf out of the box. At some point they will drop .doc altogether.
The industry standard for the education industry is odf. Even MS are using it now. (see the article I linked to in the 2nd post)
22nd January 2009, 03:35 PM #18
Don't forget that if you require a good level of support for VB and such then this is lacking in Open office as much as any other free open source alternative unless this has changed...
22nd January 2009, 03:41 PM #19
Yeh I just love the fact that Apple are worse now for locked in office formats but like you say at least everyone has a common format and its MS office LOL
Originally Posted by tmcd35
One of the best things tbh about it. Makes training very nice but likewise if your taught the principles it should be no problem. I am not sure what the new Mac office looks like though but no doubt its different.
Originally Posted by tmcd35
22nd January 2009, 04:56 PM #20
Why bother, anyway? Just switch to a web-based word processor and webmail. Now you only need laptops with web browsers, nothing else.
Originally Posted by moggy
22nd January 2009, 05:00 PM #21
MS removed VB support from MSOffice on the mac, so OpenOffice now supports VB better than MSOffice (on a mac). For cross platform compatibility, OpenOffice is the way forwards.
Originally Posted by HodgeHi
23rd January 2009, 08:21 AM #22
Originally Posted by dhicks
Any suggestions on good web based office suites???
23rd January 2009, 08:26 AM #23
Email Hosting, CRM, Project Management, Office Suite, Document Management and more
is probably the best
but then there is always Google Apps. When is M$ releasing Office Live?
23rd January 2009, 08:27 AM #24
Anything that'll work when a class of 30 students try to save their documents with huge images included simultaneously at the end of the class?
Originally Posted by Butuz
Might need to stress-test your internet line a little before opting for this route.
23rd January 2009, 08:40 AM #25
yes, we use a combination of moodle and drupaled.
Originally Posted by jamesb
For courses that require word processing we still use a word processor, but for the majority of coursework students can use forums, webpages, using the online learning community that we have created.
An online community/ webspace for submitting work is much more flexible than using an application such as MSOffice or OpenOffice, it deals with images, movies, chat and all the things that you cannot do in a word processor alone.
edit: did I mention that submitting work to a social network is much better for collaboration than traditional word processing methods
Last edited by CyberNerd; 23rd January 2009 at 08:45 AM.
23rd January 2009, 08:44 AM #26
Another thing to consider is also your staff. Its easy sitting here spouting about which software we should be using and what is the standard, but we aren't the ones who will be using it to teach(Expcet to show the teachers how to use it). I have installed it when we couldn't afford the licences for MS and were due to get new clients which were quoted with an MS Office licence. OO was installed through the school in the short term, but when we had enough licences of MS throughout it was requested that OO was removed so it didn't cause confusion for the pupils.
Very few teachers would use it as to learn a new software would take up too much time. Ironically the teachers who used it the most were the ones who were doing presentations with pupils for the first time. They hadn't used Powerpoint before so when they used OO for the first time they didn't know the difference.
23rd January 2009, 08:52 AM #27
Funnily enough, Penfold, this is actually one of my two arguments for OpenOffice!
The difference, at least in UI, between Office 2003 and OpenOffice are quite minimal compare to the difference between Office 2003 and Office 2007.
Don't get me wrong, I've by no means made my own mind up as to which way I'll recommend to the school that we go. There are other things to take into consideration on our route to standardisation.
In my experience 99% of teachers want something they are familiar with (Office 2000/XP/03/OO) and that will open M$ formatted Word/Excel/Powerpoint docs.
The attraction of OO is easy...
- M$ Format Compatible
- Office 97/2000/XP/03 Classic UI
- Cross Platform - exact same program on Win/Mac/Linux
- Can give away copies for kids to use on home PC
23rd January 2009, 09:03 AM #28
I wouldn't move to OpenOffice here (yet) purely because it doesn't provide the same features (as already mentioned) when compared to MS Office (yet!).
Also the fact that our licenses are already paid for for Office 2003. In the days when Office 2003 are becoming obsolete and we're looking to upgrade (which to be fair will be quite a while away) then OpenOffice might be a solution.
23rd January 2009, 09:10 AM #29
Becta studied this in detail, they concluded that the features of MSOffice were aimed at business, not education and that none of 'extra' features in MSoffice were 'must have' compared to other office suites (including openoffice)
Originally Posted by Hightower
23rd January 2009, 09:20 AM #30
We have OpenOffice throughout the school apart from where SIMS is used. Reason being is that we dont have to pay M$ for it, and we can have the kids working on M$ Office 2007 at home and the files work perfectly in the school. Also another thing we like about it is the fact that if the kids can't afford M$ office or anything, we burn it to a disk for them and they use it at home.
Gives our school a good name and its win/win for us as it means we know the kids that we have given a copy too!
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