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    Our current method works around both MDT and App-V to get things out there.

    We have a image of Windows 7 which contains all the IE plugins, all Windows updates, the App-V client and nothing else (not even Office!!).
    When you go to image a machine using MDT we have a number of 'task sequences setup' one for staff (which locally install Outlook 2007, Word 2007, a connection client to our LEA SIMS service and our IWB software) and one for students (which is pretty much blank).

    From that point on everything is down to App-V - every time a user logs in App-V checks which applications they should have access to and presents them in the start menu.
    This way a science teacher can go to English and still have all the science applications.

    It is the best way to run things that I've found so far and makes for very quick deployments with just a 6GB image!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesfed View Post
    Our current method works around both MDT and App-V to get things out there.

    We have a image of Windows 7 which contains all the IE plugins, all Windows updates, the App-V client and nothing else (not even Office!!).
    When you go to image a machine using MDT we have a number of 'task sequences setup' one for staff (which locally install Outlook 2007, Word 2007, a connection client to our LEA SIMS service and our IWB software) and one for students (which is pretty much blank).

    From that point on everything is down to App-V - every time a user logs in App-V checks which applications they should have access to and presents them in the start menu.
    This way a science teacher can go to English and still have all the science applications.

    It is the best way to run things that I've found so far and makes for very quick deployments with just a 6GB image!
    This sounds ace, how much configuration was required to get this up and running? Is it easy to manage?

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    @jamesfed - What kind of backend do you have for that arrangement? How many servers, how powerful? How many users and workstations do you have? Have you run into any performance issues?

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    The MDT server is nothing special - anything that works with WSUS will work with MDT just fine (after all it is just the same thing but with a few more features).

    App-V accualy uses the local processing power on the PC the user is at - all it does is figues out which applications the user should have access to and provides the virtual application files to the PC as and when required. So again nothing special needed however we do run ours off a PCI-E SSD but I know of people running it with much less.

    Most of the time to setup is in getting the virtual applications made up however that can be done over a good few days using virtual box

    In the long run it is a BIG time saver - smaller image to look after (fire it up every now and again to apply the latest IE plugin updates and windows updates) and then do your application updates on the fly using App-V.

    Its a pretty fool proof way to deploy applications as well as App-V dosn't insall anything on the local machine (although it does cache the files sent to it which is essential for notebook PCs) and so need to use MSIs to uninstall/reinstall.

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    I'll see if I can get a video of the whole process in action up on our YouTube channel today sometime (if the NM has brought his video camera in).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesfed View Post
    Our current method works around both MDT and App-V to get things out there.

    We have a image of Windows 7 which contains all the IE plugins, all Windows updates, the App-V client and nothing else (not even Office!!).
    When you go to image a machine using MDT we have a number of 'task sequences setup' one for staff (which locally install Outlook 2007, Word 2007, a connection client to our LEA SIMS service and our IWB software) and one for students (which is pretty much blank).

    From that point on everything is down to App-V - every time a user logs in App-V checks which applications they should have access to and presents them in the start menu.
    This way a science teacher can go to English and still have all the science applications.

    It is the best way to run things that I've found so far and makes for very quick deployments with just a 6GB image!
    Sounds like a dream setup .. alas, as with many other schools, our budget has been cut so much I'm lucky to have a job into next year (our other techy wasn't so lucky, so the school is running on low support now .. should be interesting) .. What's the licensing like on App-V though, is it a per connection style license? I've never really looked into it you see.

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    App-V is an SA benefit. You need to have an EES licence with software assurance.

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    Does anyone know of any good walk throughs / how tos out there for MDT by the way? I'm quite interested to see if this might be a better way of working with it all..

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    Download: Microsoft Deployment Toolkit 2012 - Microsoft Download Center - Download Details

    I've been skimming through the Print-Ready Documentation for download there and it seems to cover all the bases regarding getting it up and running.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesfed View Post
    The MDT server is nothing special - anything that works with WSUS will work with MDT just fine (after all it is just the same thing but with a few more features).
    MDT and WSUS are completely different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PiqueABoo View Post
    MDT and WSUS are completely different.
    But there are no diffrent hardware requirements and do the same general thing

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    Righty ho video of what can be done with App-V and MDT when setup and used to deploy has been recorded - will hope to have on YouTube in a few hours (HD edition so depending on my home upload speed!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesfed View Post
    The MDT server is nothing special - anything that works with WSUS will work with MDT just fine (after all it is just the same thing but with a few more features).
    Do you mean WDS and not WSUS one being for deployment of images and applications and the other for windows updates?

    Ben

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    Quote Originally Posted by plexer View Post
    Do you mean WDS and not WSUS one being for deployment of images and applications and the other for windows updates?

    Ben
    Ooops thats the one extra letters where they shouldn't be!

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    Use a clean, base image, that way you'll always have a base to go to.

    We use SCCM, so we have clean images, but then we have the software that deploys as well.

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