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And you could script a product key change based on the ...
9th June 2010, 02:43 PM #46
I meant the initial deployment / crossover dhicks :-)
And you could script a product key change based on the mac address of the machine... thus, if you had in your inventory the OEM license & mac adds you could pair it that way... it's alot of effort though, i am glad i'm not yet in that position.
I think he wants some unix loving & if he succesfully does this... it'd a fantastic medal of honor & save his school some cash, should document as he goes if he does it :P
Last edited by dwhyte85; 9th June 2010 at 02:48 PM.
9th June 2010, 02:45 PM #47
Our ICT specialist is moving into a different subject area.
Originally Posted by danrhodes
9th June 2010, 02:48 PM #48
For the thin client part you might also want to look at Ulteo who provide thin client/ web OS with MS program integration
An other option would be to ditch the Citrix/ thin client side altogether and use virtual box or similar to run a virutal machine on those desktops that need access to sims. You'd need machine with enough ram and also you'd have to update those vms manually though
9th June 2010, 02:57 PM #49
Oh yes, of course. Hey, I'm always available if the price is right :-) Seriously, though... how much of our problem is simply never having enough time to get stuff sorted quickly enough so people can come back and use the network in a reasonable time? Would some sort of summer-time expertise / labour swap / merry-go-round be a good idea?
Originally Posted by dwhyte85
Tried that, too - image the machine disjoined from the network and with registry settings so it auto-boots to local admin account, use newsid to join it to the network when it first boots up, write some registry settings so it no longer auto-boots. Bit of a palavar, again.
And you could script a product key change based on the mac address of the machine... thus, if you had in your inventory the OEM license & mac adds you could pair it that way...
9th June 2010, 03:01 PM #50
Just from experience, I'd say the easiest, simplest and most secure way to run SIMS is over Terminal Services. That's whether you're doing so from a Linux workstation or just because you fancy it being easier to manage.
Originally Posted by danbuntu
9th June 2010, 03:01 PM #51
We have that sort of with our year 7s and soon to be year 8s, an integrated curriculum - no actual ICT lessons but a mixmatch, you do your ICT in Science lesson when documenting in Excel - type thingy.
Originally Posted by localzuk
9th June 2010, 03:09 PM #52
You don't have this option on non-VMX processors, at least in my small-scale experiments. Chances are this is most of the machines in a school, especially if they are more than a year or so old.
Originally Posted by danbuntu
9th June 2010, 03:34 PM #53
Is there not a half - way solution to this? We buy all of our MS through the LEA, which is a one off cost. We dont run the latest versions of everything (currently still office 2003 for example, although moving to 2007 soon) but there are no annual costs. If you just purchase the OS licences this year (we pay about £35 ish a copy, and £80 for the servers), then remove MS office and install open office. Total cost will be around £12k this year, and then zero in any subsequent years. If you factor in the time of re-building the whole network from scratch, and re-training all staff then this might be worth it?
9th June 2010, 05:51 PM #54
That's how it was 20 years ago when I was in year 7 (I feel old now!) although there wasn't an IT GCSE at the end of it for us.
Originally Posted by dwhyte85
9th June 2010, 05:59 PM #55
That's actually not a bad idea, especially if you don't intend to change OS/office version for years. May end up costing more long term if you do change but you won't be spending that money during the belt tightening years ahead. You can always switch back when it's sunny days again. I think this something you should seriously look at putting to the bursar.
Originally Posted by steveg
Another thing to consider is that if BSF does still take place, any managed company that comes is likely to throw away any Linux system you install and put in place a Windows system again, which is even more disruption for staff/students
If you are deadset on it then for the server side you can do..
Proxy - Smoothwall is also a yearly license as far as I know, so you'd still be paying for that But it is pretty easy to make a Linux proxy that does AD Auth using Dansguardian (which smoothwall is based on) for free, so you could look at that to replace your ISA server. This is how we do it here.
Email - Zimbra instead of exchange.
File sharing - can be done via Samba, we had all of our student/staff data on a Samba server a few years ago but dropped it because it was more of a pain than it was worth, but it wasn't to difficult to setup. YMMV
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9th June 2010, 07:26 PM #56
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11th June 2010, 12:31 AM #57
LZ, I respect your opinion as your posts are always so considered, indeed you have helped me before now, however to be blatant, there is a reason MS is so successful:
Swap your headteachers windows laptop for an ubuntu one for a fortnight.
11th June 2010, 08:50 AM #58
We're starting smaller than that - we're swapping our ICT co-ordinator's laptop with an Ubuntu one for a fortnight.
Originally Posted by superfletch
So far, I have found free alternatives to most programs she uses, and installed a XenApp client for SIMS.net etc...
Also, I disagree as to the inferred reason that MS are so successful though...
11th June 2010, 06:59 PM #59
This is a little old but should have lots of information on it especially as it is one of the strongholds of OOS zealotry Slashdot | Best FOSS Active Directory Alternative?
Here are some more:
Slashdot Technology Story | Windows Server Trusts Samba4 Active Directory - to replicate existing stuff off AD
Linux.com :: Windows to Linux Migration Guide
Slashdot | Samba Success in the Enterprise?
Slashdot | Linux Desktop Deployment Postmortems? - desktop deployment
Slashdot | Directory Service Implementation From Scratch?
There are usually some suprisingly useful comments on the slashdot stories.
There is also this http://theopensourceschool.blogspot.com/ from a school near here that has gone open source.
This lot also went open source + apple but I would not use them for a model as everything that I have heard apart from their press releases has been negitive http://mhp.school.nz/
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