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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulfish View Post
    (providing you have a good text editor with bracket matching )
    Notepad++ has you covered there - bestest text editor in the world. <3 N++

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulfish View Post
    Ohh for sure - the language needs to be fairly simple to get started. Starting with C or Ada would just be a nightmare! One of the reasons I like Scheme (providing you have a good text editor with bracket matching ), although Python, Ruby and Java are all fairly simple to get started with

    Interestingly it was our data structures and algorithms course that was also taught in Ada!
    Yeah, I think they must be all sadists or something. Never saw a lecture hall with so many people playing Quake at once before...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofsanta View Post
    Notepad++ has you covered there - bestest text editor in the world. <3 N++
    One of the first things that gets installed on any of my systems .

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    where do you start?
    Code:
    10 print "Hello World"

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    Quote Originally Posted by K.C.Leblanc View Post
    Code:
    10 print "Hello World"
    Incorrect.

    First things first. You need to make sure the 3 laws are clearly stated.

    The 4th and 5th laws are optional.

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    I think we might have all missed an important health and safety issue first too - do we really want to be teaching our kids to get hooked on coffee?

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    I think we might have all missed an important health and safety issue first too - do we really want to be teaching our kids to get hooked on coffee?
    irrelevant. they are mainlining monster/redbull by age 12 anyway, coz it looks cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    I think we might have all missed an important health and safety issue first too - do we really want to be teaching our kids to get hooked on coffee?
    Coffee? You're kidding aren't you? Nowhere near enough caffeine in that, you want to get yourself some caffeinated energy drinks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofsanta View Post
    I'd say language is not overly important, and if anything, teach them two or three similar OO so they learn flexibility... I never settled on any one language - having played about in AMOS Pro, Blitz Basic (those two at 8 years old, reading out of a magazine), Java, VB.Net, C#, ASP.Net, PHP, I think in terms of what I want to do and look up the relevant terms, rather than thinking "I would do this like X in Java" and getting caught up in one language's paradigm.
    I'd agree with that. 'Programming' is a skill that is almost independent of language. Once you know how to program, you can pick up a new language very quickly.
    Although Python would be a good starting point
    One of the neatest programming things I've seen recently is processing. Free, multiplatform (java based - but abstracted, you can even use it to write phone apps), very very easy to produce programs with pretty visual output - which might (should) be attractive in getting the interest of kids.

    But as others point out, even if we decided we must teach programming as a skill, we will need to find people who can teach it. Most of the current crop of ICT teachers wouldn't know a pointer from a hash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LosOjos View Post
    Coffee? You're kidding aren't you? Nowhere near enough caffeine in that, you want to get yourself some caffeinated energy drinks!
    I run coffee through a percolator multiple times. It gives it the look and consistency of tar.

    But the smell alone is enough to wake someone with Kleine-Levin syndrome.

    Quote Originally Posted by pcstru View Post
    Most of the current crop of ICT teachers wouldn't know a pointer from a hash.
    I'd have to disagree. A lot of teachers I've met know quite a bit about hash.

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    I'd have to disagree. A lot of teachers I've met know quite a bit about hash.
    yes... but not the sort which is useful in this instance. I'm pretty sure there is a ballmer peak for that substance.
    ballmer_peak.png

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    We were taught Pascal which is a good language to learn the basic of good programming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oaktech View Post
    yes... but not the sort which is useful in this instance. I'm pretty sure there is a ballmer peak for that substance.
    ballmer_peak.png
    Ah, XKCD...

    Reminds me of the completely random theory that during a nuclear explosion there is a perfect distance from the epicentre that gives just enough radiation to bestow superpowers.

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    fortran77 was the first for me. Then pascal,forth,basic,c and so on.
    But being dyslexic, I spend more time correcting my typos then programming! lol
    Alan

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcstru View Post
    But as others point out, even if we decided we must teach programming as a skill, we will need to find people who can teach it. Most of the current crop of ICT teachers wouldn't know a pointer from a hash.
    I was just nattering with our Head of IT here, and as he said - it's not that he doesn't know programming, it's just that there isn't enough time in his day to keep current and in practice with that as well as with everything else he needs to know for the subject now. Christ, I doubt I could achieve anything in C or Java now as the last time I touched either was my first year of Uni; even PHP, the closest I ever came to a home language, would take an effort to write anything in now.

    If you're going to teach and mark programming, you almost have to be constantly writing software yourself just to keep in practice. And there's only so much time in a week.

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