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    Job Evaluation - Staff face up to £14k paycuts

    Council staff facing pay cuts of £14,000 - The Inverness Courier

    COMPUTER workers with Highland Council are facing pay cuts of up to £14,000 a year as the department is overhauled and the authority implements its job evaluation process.
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    The scale of the wage reductions has amazed staff, who claim they are being unfairly targeted because they are not in a frontline service and have little chance of finding alternative work locally.

    Thirty-two information technology workers are undergoing interviews after their jobs were "deleted" and 29 new posts created. A single IT department has been established and the full-time jobs have different descriptions and been graded in line with the council's job evaluation process, which was ratified earlier this year.

    One employee who has been on a fixed-term contract for four years says the lack of other IT jobs in the Highlands has left himself and his colleagues with little choice but to accept the move.

    He currently earns £34,000 and is facing a potential cut of £14,000. "It wouldn't hurt that much if we were talking about £1000 to £2000," said the man, who asked not to be identified. "I know another younger colleague, whose wife has just given up work after having a baby is currently on £31,000. He faces a cut to £21,000. There are a lot of people who have got young families who are going to be really hit hard."

    Unison's John Gibson said the IT staff had been hit with a "double whammy" because the new department had been created at the same time as the job evaluation process.

    "This has been going on with them stuck in the middle," he said. "The timing has probably been advantageous for the council because people can't just walk out of jobs knowing there is not much else out there. We've had a lot of members contacting us to say their pay is going down and a lot of people are upset."

    Mr Gibson, Unison's Highland branch treasurer, is himself facing up to a £2000 pay cut after 10 years working in the local authority's finance department and said about 12 per cent of council staff were facing up to reduced wages.

    A council spokesman said the new IT department would provide a more effective service and the appointments would be subject to a ring fenced recruitment process, as agreed with trade unions.
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    Stunned is a massive understatement. If my salary were cut by that much I'd be paying them!

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    I'd be really interested to know what actual jobs those guys were doing for 34k and 31k. I mean it could be that they were actually being overpaid?

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    i wouldn't worry too much if i were them.

    If they take the result to appeal most of them will probably win, judging by the success rate of the appeals process elsewhere where job evaluation has already been undertaken.

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    I would have thought that these were central management jobs, ie overseeing schools or other council depts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by somabc View Post
    I would have thought that these were central management jobs, ie overseeing schools or other council depts.
    Chiefs rather than indians then?

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    If the chiefs get a pay cut, I'm sure the Indians will too

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    Quote Originally Posted by somabc View Post
    If the chiefs get a pay cut, I'm sure the Indians will too

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    Or will they just cut out the indians altogether?

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    Quote Originally Posted by somabc View Post
    If the chiefs get a pay cut, I'm sure the Indians will too
    32/29 [whatever the number is now] staff for an IT dept. is probably about right for a council of that size. So in amongst that you're going to have the usual makeup of IT staff required to manager council systems and possibly oversee schools support contracts in all possibility... help desk staff, senior technical officers, web/application teams [if that isn't outsourced] aswell as a handful of senior managers.

    don't know the setup so can only guess, but absolutely sounds like indians and chiefs and not just chiefs.

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    Maybe just the chiefs hitting the press because of the headline salary amounts involved?

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    More trouble in Scotland.

    BBC NEWS | Scotland | South of Scotland | 'Termination' notes sent to 6,000

    About 6,000 workers on a Scottish council are to receive letters which pave the way for them to be sacked and rehired on new contracts. The termination notices are being sent out by Dumfries and Galloway Council. They will only be enforced if attempts to reach a negotiated pay agreement with the employees concerned fail. Staff are set to be balloted soon on whether to accept the "single status" salary proposals designed to tackle historic wage inequalities. There have been numerous bids to agree the pay package over several years. A structure has now been put together which workers will be asked to vote on soon. It will only be after the outcome of the imminent ballot is known that we will know which approach is to be followed.

    In the meantime, the council is taking steps to impose the deal if it is rejected at ballot.

    Its employees would have their current contracts terminated on 1 October and then be rehired on the new pay scheme.
    So if you are not happy with regrading you will lose your job?

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    Quote Originally Posted by somabc View Post
    So if you are not happy with regrading you will lose your job?
    Looks like it. I can't see how something like that can be successfully appealed.

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    Job Evaluation goes back to the days when employers paid men & women different rates of pay for doing the same job and allowed employers to pay men bonuses but not women.

    To head off an increasing number of court cases, in 1997 the Govt & LA employers got together with the trade unions & agreed that by 2007 they would have this sorted. Job evaluation (aka Single Status) was born....

    It is alleged that there was a gentlemans agreement(!) in 1997 that nobody should suffer, unfortunately the trade unions failed to get this in writing. Since then, the Local Government Association has used Job Evaluation as a means of levelling down salary levels, rather than up as the union thought it would be.

    The employers are quite skillful at making public claims that xx% will be better off, yy% will be no worse off & only zz% will take a cut. usually the people who benefit are low-paid part time workers who often have more than one job with the council. They are counted as a winner in each case, allowing them to skew the figures. In addition, some school based employees have had their hourly rate increased but have been switched from term time contracts to full-time pro rata, often resulting in a pay cut, but even these are counted as winners!

    As for chiefs & indians, the LA can choose to cap the evaluation process if it wishes, so everyone on scale nn & upwards can be excluded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by broc View Post
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    The employers are quite skillful at making public claims that xx% will be better off, yy% will be no worse off & only zz% will take a cut. usually the people who benefit are low-paid part time workers who often have more than one job with the council. They are counted as a winner in each case, allowing them to skew the figures. In addition, some school based employees have had their hourly rate increased but have been switched from term time contracts to full-time pro rata, often resulting in a pay cut, but even these are counted as winners!
    There are lies, great lies and then statistics...

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    Quote Originally Posted by somabc View Post
    More trouble in Scotland.

    BBC NEWS | Scotland | South of Scotland | 'Termination' notes sent to 6,000



    So if you are not happy with regrading you will lose your job?
    if your not happy, there's an appeals process.

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