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    StJohn,

    I can assure you this is the case, I have been involved in a huge number of news reports and all the media seem to be doing around this is scaremongering and trying to blame IT Managers just to sell a few extra copies or create more coverage for their news!

    I ended up having to take the Liverpool Echo article legal as they published misleading/wrong headings regarding firewalls being cracked. It was technically nothing to do with a firewall it was at filtering level well behind the firewall. Students in quite a lot of schools in Liverpool where using proxy avoidance websites or proxy bypass scripts to access games, chat services! There was the opportunity i suppose for students to view porn, but the Liverpool Echo sensationalised this and created a negative slant on the whole e-safety issue as opposed to raising awareness to parents.

    I have now received a legal apology from the Liverpool Echo and I believe they will be printing an apology in press all be it probably on page 6422 in size 3 font, I will be making a statement on Radio City 96.7 on Monday as I am being interview tomorrow by them but it is only going out on air on Monday. It is so annoying as all IT Managers are working very hard with City Councils to protect students, but they are just looking to apportion blame and mislead the general public.

    I hope you all manage to catch the radio interview on Monday, if you are outside of the area I believe you can listen to it online. I would check but my e-safe software doesn’t let me LOL!


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    Greg

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    Well done Greg!

    I've blogged about e-safety and how I approached it as an ICT co-ordinator in a primary school here:Creative ICT News: A Little Local Difficulty

    Would be good if you could add a comment to balance it up a bit.

    I have contacted Colin at Zentek to see if we can meet - I suspect we are actually quite close in our opinions on how schools should approach e-safety, it's just the way journalists love to sensationalise this stuff. We'll see what happens.

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    I have always had a very good level of service from them and most importantly outstanding solutions, (Secure SSL VPN, E-safe – HP C700 chassis with ILO (16Servers – 2xquad core in each, 10gb Ram and so on –) MSA 2000 – 4EB of data, secure dirty wireless clouds (any device, with or without AV, Separate VLan with low level network detection and port blocking and reporting)

    It gives me what I need to deliver good service to my users (over 2100) I have logon speed of under 15sec at any desktop in any building.
    All that is pretty much standard, i know most schools are upto that in our LA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StJohn View Post
    Well done Greg!

    I've blogged about e-safety and how I approached it as an ICT co-ordinator in a primary school here:Creative ICT News: A Little Local Difficulty

    Would be good if you could add a comment to balance it up a bit.

    I have contacted Colin at Zentek to see if we can meet - I suspect we are actually quite close in our opinions on how schools should approach e-safety, it's just the way journalists love to sensationalise this stuff. We'll see what happens.
    No probs mate, have a chat with colin and we can sort something out!

    I will show you a copy of my letter I wrote to MR Ed Ball (3weeks ago now, I belive Tanya Byron has the letter now)

    Get Colin to drop me a mail with your e-mail address and i will give you a call after the interviews tomorrow.

    THANKS

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    That sounds good, Greg. I'll message you my email.

    It's interesting re your post about the teacher viewing porn above.

    In my primary school (Policy Master was the software used) most policy breaches that were deliberate were perpetrated by staff. I would point out that none were looking for porn - dating sites etc were the more usual
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    Quote Originally Posted by FN-GM View Post
    All that is pretty much standard, i know most schools are upto that in our LA.
    Good, I can’t believe how personal everyone is taking this, are we not all fighting the same corner. It is as if I have come in here talking about BSF, although most of you who can be bothered on this forum have good systems in place but you will be surprised at the number of schools in my area and outside that don’t have the budget to implement such technologies. I see it on a regular basis as the school rent my services out on a consultancy/troubleshooter basis.

    I am not in here and don’t have the time to attack schools who are doing a good job, quite frankly I have too many diary commitments. But I am in this forum to raise awareness of e-safety in the UK whether you like it or not.

    I thought forums where for balanced views, and should be moderated to that effect. God knows the response I will get if I even tried to address my thoughts on BSF and managed services within this forum, as I seem to be getting the same negative responses from this forum as I have been getting with the media.

    Regards

    Greg

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    Quote Originally Posted by GPJ_Liverpool View Post
    Good, I can’t believe how personal everyone is taking this, are we not all fighting the same corner. It is as if I have come in here talking about BSF, although most of you who can be bothered on this forum have good systems in place but you will be surprised at the number of schools in my area and outside that don’t have the budget to implement such technologies. I see it on a regular basis as the school rent my services out on a consultancy/troubleshooter basis.

    I am not in here and don’t have the time to attack schools who are doing a good job, quite frankly I have too many diary commitments. But I am in this forum to raise awareness of e-safety in the UK whether you like it or not.

    I thought forums where for balanced views, and should be moderated to that effect. God knows the response I will get if I even tried to address my thoughts on BSF and managed services within this forum, as I seem to be getting the same negative responses from this forum as I have been getting with the media.

    Regards

    Greg

    Sorry not meaning to have a go

    Just stating really that is what i would expect it to be anyway. Its good to hear that you have upgraded to get it to a nice fast speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FN-GM View Post
    Sorry not meaning to have a go

    Just stating really that is what i would expect it to be anyway. Its good to hear that you have upgraded to get it to a nice fast speed.
    No probs,

    What LA are you from?

    Regards

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    The problem with e-safety, much like data protection and processing is that it's all too often "left with IT".

    I have never even heard of CEOP for example (I had to google it ). Many IT staff will not be in a managment position with enough influence to implement many of the procedural and policy changes that are needed to help protect staff and students.

    Data security for example, I've done everything I can possibly do to limit access to the MIS, seperate vlan, ACLs to block student machines, locked rooms and site wide port authentication.

    Yet I still find students sat at staff machines in their unlocked offices with the usual "oh, I logged them in as me" from teachers. So while I can control the technical side, I can't get disiplinary procedures etc put in place, although this will be worked out shortly.



    It's all been quite interesting to read, and informative so thanks for that


    On another note, I'm certainly not a fan of BSF (seeing as my school invests heavily in ICT) it's an unfortunate fact that some schools would prefer not to spend any money *ever* on computers, prefering to use those bought some time in the last ice age. I can't help but always think of "the greater good" lines in Hot Fuzz

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    Quote Originally Posted by GPJ_Liverpool View Post
    No probs,

    What LA are you from?

    Regards

    Greg
    Rochdale, all schools are individual and are not ruled by the LA

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    Quote Originally Posted by GPJ_Liverpool View Post
    But I am in this forum to raise awareness of e-safety in the UK whether you like it or not.
    But you're preaching to the converted. We're all pretty much up to speed on Every Child Matters (or Every Child Really Matters according to Zentek ).

    It would be interesting to know which areas or schools you've visited which don't have the funding to implement it. But from my experience in a number of LEAs across the North West over many years this has not been the case and machines are locked down to within an inch of their life.

    We know our roles and responsibilities - that's why we're Network Managers after all.

    It's just some of us have had our fingers burnt by Zentek in the past (I could tell you some great stories!). We keep hearing the rhetoric that they're "changing" but then they go and do a stunt like this which makes me believe that they're still the same.

    If I were working in your area and read that article, I would be fuming. The head would be swamped by calls and letters from parents reading that story and who would be the next in line to blame - yes us. "220 firewall violations" is a very vague phrase and could relate to anything - even something simple as a games site.

    If you're happy with Zentek, that's great. I'm not sure how long you've been dealing with them - but make a note of how many different account managers you have over the coming years and see if you can find out why they keep leaving.

    It seems to me that from that article Zentek is using you and that reflects badly on all IT staff in your area.
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    Hi DMcCoy,

    You raise a really important point as it is often the overburdened ICT Manager and their team that get left to sort out e-safety as it's been deemed as an "IT issue".

    You will be pleased to know that the LSCBs have all now been encouraged to put ICT e-safety on their agenda just as they would normally do when addressing more general child safety issues within their LA. I was invited to one of their conferences on Wednesday and the message that they are being asked to convey to LA Directors and Head Teachers is drop the "e" in e-safety as it is still a child safety issue, rcognising that e-safety technologies simply provide additional and sometimes invaluable intelligence stream.

    You may have seen the latest Becta survey and e-safety is in the top 5 list of issues needing to be properly addressed according to the senior leaders and ICT co-ordinators who responded. This will mean that it has to be given more air time in your school at some point, lets hope for you its sooner than later.
    Colin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gibbo View Post
    But you're preaching to the converted. We're all pretty much up to speed on Every Child Matters (or Every Child Really Matters according to Zentek ).
    I really wish that was the case. ECM is such a massive thing and has fingers into everywhere I would be surprised if *anyone* was up to speed with it all. I am starting to see things from the other side of the fence (actually ... the 3rd side after looking at it both for technical and manglement and now LA) and the inroads it makes into other areas is scary. The day-to-day in-school protection is a minor part. Important, but minor.

    As pointed out by DMcCoy, not everyone is up to speed about CEOP, about what the role of the Local Safeguarding Children's Board and information within school is not always shared around. Does the child protection officer at the school have input into the IT strategy to ensure the students are in a safe and secure environment? Do all your users sign an AUP? Is it in line with what the LSCB is doing in your area? How many of you have had the Think U Know training? Are any of you are TUK Ambassadors? (might be an interesting list to build for each area actually).

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumbleDook View Post
    I really wish that was the case. ECM is such a massive thing and has fingers into everywhere I would be surprised if *anyone* was up to speed with it all. I am starting to see things from the other side of the fence (actually ... the 3rd side after looking at it both for technical and manglement and now LA) and the inroads it makes into other areas is scary. The day-to-day in-school protection is a minor part. Important, but minor.

    As pointed out by DMcCoy, not everyone is up to speed about CEOP, about what the role of the Local Safeguarding Children's Board and information within school is not always shared around. Does the child protection officer at the school have input into the IT strategy to ensure the students are in a safe and secure environment? Do all your users sign an AUP? Is it in line with what the LSCB is doing in your area? How many of you have had the Think U Know training? Are any of you are TUK Ambassadors? (might be an interesting list to build for each area actually).

    V Good, well done!!!!

    All our user sign an AUP and have to click “confirm” to a disclaimer message regarding AUP and Data protection. We are a FULL Ceop school, myself and 2 members of my team completed the Ceop ambassadors training (I have now given training to ALL staff and ALL students) – even the kids that missed it, I pulled them out of lessons!

    Have you all read the Byron review??

    Some link for you and your staff…

    1 Thinkuknow - home
    2 BBC ChatGuide
    3 WISE KIDS: Promoting Innovative, Positive and Safe Internet Use
    4 The Quality Information Checklist
    5 Department for Children, Schools and Families : Byron Review

    Let me know if you want anymore…


    Regards

    Greg

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    But you're preaching to the converted. We're all pretty much up to speed on Every Child Matters (or Every Child Really Matters according to Zentek ).

    NOT AT ALL, I SEE LOTS OF SCHOOL THAT DONT HAVE A CLUE!

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