Gibson335 (24th June 2014)
Obviously, I'm being facetious here. I have no problem with cameras, per se; I have problems with how cameras are used and who uses them. I'm happy to be caught on camera if there is a justifiable reason, not just at the whim of a passing individual to do whatever they like with my most personal possession.
I could spend my time posting examples of why a surveillance state is bad but just Googling 'Surveillance abuse' should suffice.
I don't care if they have my face on camera, really? What are they going to do with it? Shove it on the internet whoopty doo theres 100's of pictures of me on my FaceBook and other various sites I have been on, my face is already on the internet and I'm sure so is yours somewhere, so is anybody's that has ever signed up to a service that includes a profile of yourself. There's only so much you can hide and if you live in the dark ages burying your head in the sand and are too scared of anyone posting your face on the internet (doing nothing wrong) then you're being far to paranoid imo.
People aren't telepathic and therefore don't know the exact time and location your going to be in and then start taking a video of you, none knows so I'd rather them be monitored and watched over all the time for my own safety than not to be watched at all.
People will always abuse systems of any kind this is the real world of course, but the majority don't and it is against the law to do so, they can't do a great deal when abusing surveillance and it doesn't harm anyone it's more of an annoyance than anything! But those people will eventually be caught and justice will be taken and then they won't be able to monitor CCTV again! Majority of it's good not bad, we could have the same talk about any systems as anything ever can always be abused when in the wrong hands it doesn't mean that CCTV is a bad thing!
Last edited by abillybob; 24th June 2014 at 10:45 AM.
abillybob (24th June 2014)
Thought you'd like that.
If you want a single, succinct reason why it's such a scary prospect: who decides what's wrong? Homosexuality was wrong fifty years ago. Landing at an airport with journalistic documents is apparently wrong now. Who knows what could be wrong tomorrow, and if you were caught on camera doing it yesterday?
OT: I've completely lost interest in Google Glass. I mean, it seemed cool when it was announced, but it already seems old hat to me and a bit, well, dull. I'd much rather have an Oculus Rift
I have also had many problems where 3 years ago while I was overtaking a bus there was an elderly man who decided to turn right into a pub, he showed no signs of stopping so I was unaware and I ended up in hospital, knocked out with my collar bone broken in 3 different places and I wasn't allowed to move, nothing came of this due to insufficient evidence, maybe if there where camera's id of had a better case and could have got compensated for the state I was left in after I healed.
I also had a few occasions but this one was particularly bad where my car was parked in a multi story car park, it was a brand new car 206 cc Covertible and I loved it, someone must have reversed leaving a huge dent and scraped all the paint off, you guessed it the CCTV just missed my car and I had no case which cost me around £1000 to put right, maybe if there was one more camera it would have been different.
In all of these cases cameras could have helped me out vastly and helped my friend out, I have a camera on everything 4 now in my car to get all angles with motion detection, I have CCTV on our house and anywhere I might be most vulnerable, it's upsetting that I feel the need to do this but I do feel that nowadays you just can't trust others to respect you or your property and I'd much rather something happen and be able to find the culprits rather than something happening and them getting away with it, it really angers me.
Ok here we go:
1) CCTV cameras are not effective
Studies show that CCTV has little effect in reducing crime or the fear of crime:
- CCTV in Glasgow - Main Findings
- BBC NEWS | UK | CCTV 'not a crime deterrent'
- BBC NEWS | UK | England | Leicestershire | CCTV systems 'fail to cut crime'
One of the above indicates that the effectiveness of CCTV is related to the quality of the monitoring, this is difficult to address when studies show that people can only effectively monitor CCTV for about 20 mins (its just too boring a job to maintain our attention): https://www.ncjrs.org/school/ch2a_5.html
If we are talking about preventing terrorism, then suicide bombers aren't particularly bothered about appearing on CCTV, and for petty crimes hoodies are an effective measure to beat CCTV.
2) CCTV is open to abuse
There are many examples of CCTV abuse by the people are supposed to trust. For example the US policeman who used police databases and licenceplate information to blackmail married visitors to a gay club: Washingtonpost.com: Chief's Friend Accused of Extortion
During the civil rights movement in the US, the FBI used surveillance to track people who were fighting against black/white segregation.
3) CCTV has a history of discriminatory targeting
The West Midlands Police used anti-terrorism money to blanket 2 Muslim areas with 200 cameras (but were forced to bin them): BBC News - 'Mistakes made' over Birmingham surveillance cameras and studies have shown that in the UK where black people are around twice as likely to surveilled (as with stop and searches).
4) History of Voyeurism
Examples abound of (mostly male) CCTV camera operators engaging in voyeurism, one notable example is when a US police helicopter was supposed to be monitoring the crowd at a Republican Convention but was found to actually be watching an 'amourous couple' engaging in some nighttime activity on a rooftop!
So, they don't cut crime, they don't make us feel safer and the operators can't be trusted. So what's the point of flooding the streets with them and invading our privacy.
Last edited by sparkeh; 24th June 2014 at 11:47 AM.
pcstru (24th June 2014)
£1000?! Are they nuts?!
I appreciate that there are valid arguments both for and against CCTV. However, I feel that the thread is drifting a little from Google Glass. My beef was about individuals capturing me on camera without my knowledge.
It does surprise me the amouunt of anti new tech sentiment on here. I would have thought that we would be all for some new technology and embracing its use, finding out its limits, possibilites and how we could use it to improve quality of life.
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