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IT News Thread, Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3 in Other News; Originally Posted by seawolf I'll wait to see how well this goes over with all of the hardware companies out ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by seawolf View Post
    I'll wait to see how well this goes over with all of the hardware companies out there building Windows laptops. Unless MS intends to become the dominant Windows PC hardware manufacturer, I think they are painting themselves into a corner.
    Umm, seriously? What's wrong with the software developer building a template device? Are we forgetting about the Google Nexus range? It's no different then a new hardware manufacturer appearing, just means you need to release a better (in some way) device. As for "iPad killer" quotes, what, have you never seen a sales pitch? Apparently if I buy this sports car I'll be beating women off with a stick because it'll turn me into fit underwear super model, got it take it all with a pitch of salt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur View Post
    What if you set the scaling to 200%? Then it would be equivalent to a 1080x720 display.

    That said, Windows developers really need to get their act together regarding hi-ppi support in their desktop apps.
    I think this comes from the whole "WinForms" based programs - creating Winforms UIs that scale well for high DPI screens is quite a lot of work. As more and more stuff is replaced by WPF based programs it will improve, as DPI resizing is built into it. So long as developers don't cheat and include pre-made windows (such as the Database Connection dialog) in their new programs.

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    The MS Surface is a quality device, I had a play with a staff members RT tablet the other day, it feels decent enough and polished using it, though the lack of outlook and domain connectivity is a killer for that particular one, not a fan of the touch cover either.

    I always thought that a MS Surface pro in work would make for an excellent mobile admin station when we go full wireless, but price is a massive factor its just too high comparative to Apple/Android based stuff, though it definitely is a high end product I think.

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    For me that epic pen that the pro has, has stopped me getting a RT version.

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    Pre order prices are here Surface Pro 3 - Microsoft Store United Kingdom Online Store

    Pricing starts at £639 for the 64GB i3 up to £1339 for the 256GB i7

    No prices for the covers yet though

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    £1,649 for the Core i7/512GB

    For me, I can never justify the costs on these types of devices because it's a one time purchase with no chance of upgrade in the future. Just like the MacBook Pro Retina Display, I'd want one with 16GB RAM and 512GB Flash, because neither are upgradable at a later date. You have to spend the big bucks at the time of purchase and when you see the final cost, you can never bear to part with that amount!

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    Quote Originally Posted by alan-d View Post
    Pre order prices are here Surface Pro 3 - Microsoft Store United Kingdom Online Store

    Pricing starts at £639 for the 64GB i3 up to £1339 for the 256GB i7

    No prices for the covers yet though
    At those prices you might as well pay 100 quid more and get a Macbook air.

    Surface is OK, but I still don't think Microsoft really knows what market its going for.

    People want a corporate device that works on windows and is easy to carry around, its nearly there but not quite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zag View Post
    At those prices you might as well pay 100 quid more and get a Macbook air.
    Why? The Surface Pro 3 is slimmer, lighter and can switch to a tablet form factor...

    Surface is OK, but I still don't think Microsoft really knows what market its going for.

    People want a corporate device that works on windows and is easy to carry around, its nearly there but not quite.
    I'd've said that they're right there with this device.

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    £639 for the i3 with no cover... fail

    So much for the BBC article suggesting a more reasonable £475. It seems Microsoft don't want any real market share with the Surface line, just an expensive luxury product for specialised users, which is a shame really.

    Looks like Lenovo ThinkPad 10 for me, unless that comes in at a similarly silly price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alan-d View Post
    There's a pretty serious gap in pricing between the 128Gb and 256Gb i5 models. £849 vs £1109. Somewhat annoying as I reckon the Core i5/256Gb is the model most people would want.

    They seriously want another £260 for another 128GB!!! I wonder if the 128Gb model only has 4Gb of RAM rather than 8gb?
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    With Microsoft - anything could happen. It's one of the mysteries of life, just like - How long does a Microsft minute really take?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zag View Post
    People want a corporate device that works on windows and is easy to carry around, its nearly there but not quite.
    On that criteria, where does it fail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcstru View Post
    On that criteria, where does it fail?
    Probably the lack of fruit based logo.

    I see Watson uses one on Elementary too

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcstru View Post
    On that criteria, where does it fail?
    Well I don't see why any corporate laptop needs a touch screen for starters. I'd prefer windows 7 for my own stuff stuff, the screen size seems to have got too big to carry around. The cost of the extras and upgrades seems expensive too as well as the cost of the base device with a 128GB disk. And lastly the keyboard on the old surface was pretty poor, not sure if its improved on this one. I also think the 802.11ac wireless is only 2x2 so it can't do the full gigabit speeds like the latest macbook airs.

    I'll stick with my Macbook air I think. Runs windows 7 perfectly, has a great keyboard, is light and ridiculously quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zag View Post
    Well I don't see why any corporate laptop needs a touch screen for starters. I'd prefer windows 7 for my own stuff stuff, the screen size seems to have got too big to carry around. The cost of the extras and upgrades seems expensive too as well as the cost of the base device with a 128GB disk. And lastly the keyboard on the old surface was pretty poor, not sure if its improved on this one. I also think the 802.11ac wireless is only 2x2 so it can't do the full gigabit speeds like the latest macbook airs.

    I'll stick with my Macbook air I think. Runs windows 7 perfectly, has a great keyboard, is light and ridiculously quick.
    So, why are corporations buying iPads by the million if they have no need for touchscreen devices? They aren't suitable at all in a corporate environment, yet they're still buying them...

    Your personal usecase doesn't include a touchscreen, but many people can do everything they want with one.

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