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    Exclamation Edugeek Linux...again

    Having browsed all posts recently, it has come up that we SHOULD create a flavour of linux. I would love to be a part of this. I think it would be a brilliant thing which we could all add too.

    If it went ahead, I would (just in my opinion) prefer it to be an OpenSUSE variant running KDE 4.2. Would anyone have any objections to us starting a project?

    Possibly call it edugeekix (as stated by cybernerd in previous post)

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    edunix ?

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    Well I dont mind what its called. Provided it is KDE and allows a KIOSK useage, along with iTalc

    I am only advocating this as it allows us to lock down what the PCs can do and gives us the chance to view all screens at once. Edubuntu fails in that dept. as it does not allow us to use iTalc.

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    My own view that with Karoshi there just no need for it as was pointed out in recent thread this need to folk linux can mean that we just have to many versions.

    I think effort is best served with helping Jo & Paul at Karoshi

    Karoshi Linux - Home

    As i said my view and not edugeeks view etc

    Russ

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    add a bunch of other utils in the distro like wireshark etc so that you can also use it for diagnostics etc for networking, hardware etc and make it easier to recover data with data recovery tools and maybe some easy read me on things to help or aid with data recovery ?

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    ahh karoshi is a brilliant server side distro, I will not deny that. It is a lovely piece of software, but IF there was an edugeek distro, we could all mod it and update it regularly.

    BTW, I have sent Jo and Paul an email regarding software to possibly add to Karoshi

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    Quote Originally Posted by nephilim View Post
    ahh karoshi is a brilliant server side distro, I will not deny that. It is a lovely piece of software, but IF there was an edugeek distro, we could all mod it and update it regularly.

    BTW, I have sent Jo and Paul an email regarding software to possibly add to Karoshi
    what software is that may I ask - any chance they could do a desktop version instead of a server version so its more of a diagnostic distro ?

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    I asked that they add iTalc on there so that you can be at home and view the desktops in use over the network. That way even if there is a problem, you can jump in from home / wherever and fix it (provided it is a desktop problem)

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    ive found iTalc a pain to configure and get working correctly - vnc , logmein.com

    Wish microsoft would do an SRDP ( as in secure RDP over ssh or something along those lines )

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    see I found iTalc easy to configure, but then I had been using synchroneyes before which is effectively identical!

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    Hmm, well, my reactions are mixed.

    As we discussed last time this came up (and the time before that) a full-blown distribution requires a massive investment of time - actually, they generally become life-consuming for at least the first few years.

    Now, I don't mind investing what little time I have left, but I do mind re-inventing the wheel (like many distros have already done). I realise this one would have a particular purpose, but I also think an existing distribution will take lots of unnecessary work out of the way first.

    Secondly, we have to come to some kind of consensus about everything, and you know the reputation of Linux hackers (look at what happened last time we tried to agree on a text editor...) for being able to do this. This is such a broad aim and there are so many things to decide.

    Example: you'd like to base it on OpenSUSE and KDE; I'd much prefer Debian and Gnome (for many reasons, which I'll go into if you ask, but principally because that's what I know); I suspect kmount will prefer Gentoo; ad nauseum.

    However, I agree with you that there is a very real need for some school specialisms, from installation, maintenance, and deployment right down to training and interface work. I would much rather see you invest your time in some cross-distribution tools that will facilitate that can go on top of a choice of distributions - after all, choice is the driver of distros in the first place. Like Karoshi, I suppose, only broader.

    Example: if I didn't know how to work the shell, I'd have no end of trouble setting up Samba to produce users' home shares, but a graphical tool that can guide me through it and generate a config file would be really useful. Same goes for a mail server, web server, shared /home mountings, etc.

    (Actually, Debian already has dpkg-reconfigure, which does more or less the same thing, but some packages assume prior knowledge of what you're setting up, which is still too challenging if you're brand new to it. Leveraging it would be a good move though, as it's very powerful under the hood.)

    I'm strongly of the opinion that this would be a much better use of time.



    Edit: I wrote this as the first reply, but took so long waffling that now it isn't any more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mac_shinobi View Post
    add a bunch of other utils in the distro like wireshark etc so that you can also use it for diagnostics etc for networking, hardware etc and make it easier to recover data with data recovery tools and maybe some easy read me on things to help or aid with data recovery ?
    I think it is too complicated to have a distro that is aimed at education in schools (ie for students & teachers) and has network admin tools. The requirements for each are totally different.

    If you would like to do penetration testing etc I recommend Remote-Exploit.org - Supplying offensive security products to the world

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    As with anything, when you have a large group of people involved there will be differing opinions. Perhaps you should put a poll up for those interested in working on a project like this.

    I personally would suggest taking a version of Linux and customizing it rather than trying to do everything from scratch.

    I would think that there would be a need for Linux experts as well as those who are good at documentation and other things.

    Maybe let the poll thread show the ways that users could contribute and then let people post with their skills and offers. There may even be a need to assign someone the overall control of the project in order to stop squabbles. A poll to decide on the Linux image to use?

    It's ok to say Karoshi is already doing this or that but perhaps many members know nothing about Karoshi. A big Edugeek project with many members involved may ultimately go further? Maybe they are actually aiming at different things?

    Love to see where this goes Just hope it doesn't go down the pan!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalsoth View Post
    It's ok to say Karoshi is already doing this or that but perhaps many members know nothing about Karoshi. A big Edugeek project with many members involved may ultimately go further? Maybe they are actually aiming at different things?
    At the risk of repeating myself, let's not re-invent the wheel here either. Why not contribute to Karoshi, instead of replacing it?

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    Instead of creating a brand new distro, what about an add-on pack for existing distros that installs various packages, sets up config files and adds additional themes.



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