Network and Classroom Management Thread, Moving from RM CC4 to Windows Network in Technical; Originally Posted by sparkeh
So what's new
I see lots of threads like this and sadly people are too quick ...
16th May 2011, 11:24 AM #16
Well I'm definitely going Vanilla now. I want a Unicorn!!
Originally Posted by sparkeh
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16th May 2011, 11:30 AM #17
Make sure you purchase the Unicorn 2010 licence first.
Originally Posted by TechMonkey
16th May 2011, 12:27 PM #18
Why not 2011 too many bugs??
16th May 2011, 12:51 PM #19
Again it is the same old "people who use RM don't have the skills" well you couldn't be further from the truth young man, I have been an MCSE for 6 years now with a Degree in Computer science also with other professional qualifications to boot but chose the RM management system way back in 2002 when I took the decision to provide the best service for the school that I could.
As I was on my own I needed something which would allow me to quickly get clients and users up and running quickly so I could then concentrate on providing other services which schools at the time didn't have VLE, single integrated network, Remote Sims etc etc and this has gone from strength to strength.
I have no qualms about going Vanilla 2008R2 but find it not necessary at the moment unless as I have stated RM go bust or when their management software goes down the wrong route for the school.
All a Vanilla system would offer us at this moment is a lot more work. We have very quick log on times for the end users, they have remote desktops which works very quickly as staff are only too happy to tell me about and we have a multitude of open source services which integrate with our RMCC4 network.
It works for us and it has cost us very little by way of upgrade licenses and for the tools which we have at our disposal are well worth the money.
As for ongoing costs with RM we don't have any as we have no contracts with them we do all the work ourselves which is what we do with a Vanilla system.
It doesn't have to cost an arm and a leg to use RMs management software.
16th May 2011, 01:01 PM #20
I dont know where you're implying I said that?? I was stating about people saying that they wished if they wanted to go back from vanilla to RM
16th May 2011, 01:05 PM #21
Also before hardware RM licensing was 30k plus if I recall and if you look back at alot of my RM posts I stated that my prievous manager many times was alot better than I was and he was a RM guy, I prefer vanilla but never been draconic to RM.
16th May 2011, 01:07 PM #22
RM called, they said they want their sales pitch back
Originally Posted by bossman
16th May 2011, 01:32 PM #23
As has been said in this thread and countless times before, it will always depend on the circumstances and what is best for the school after a thorough examination of the pros and cons.
We decided against going up to CC4 purely because in the times of limited budgets (We've seen some people here with smaller schools complaining that their budget has been cut - well our budget is 3-4x smaller still!) we'd like to eek out the very last bits of performance where possible. I'll be the first person to say that with limited knowledge, time/resources then RM are a fantastic ally. I've only worked with them for nearly 3 years but I've rarely had cause to complain.
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16th May 2011, 01:36 PM #24
Woah, Computers and networks do not make kids pass exams, learning does and that is a product of many things including teaching, environment and resources. Yes computers can be important and useful but drawing this kind of comparision is like me saying the global economy crashed because I forgot to pay my credit card bill.
Originally Posted by bossman
Both solutions can be valid, hell if Macs can be a valid solution there is a very deep pool of possibilities but lets leave out the outlandish claims. I for one know that I never got my Unicorn despite my calls to customer service .
16th May 2011, 01:39 PM #25
This thread is getting off topic though. The OP asked for advice on which tools to replace the ones currently provided by RM, not to ask for reasons on why he should stick with RM or go Vanilla.
The discussion that this is turning into has been had many times before, and it's always the same conclusion that is drawn from it. I just wish people wouldn't automatically link a "we're going vanilla" thread into an "RM bashing thread".
Back to OP: We're heading vanilla this year, and so far the only tool we have bought as a replacement is Impero. Other than that, we haven't really hit any "WE MUST HAVE THAT" bits that RM used to provide yet (and for you RM lovelies, please note I said "yet" - who's to say we might roll out in the summer and realise we'd completely forgot something).
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16th May 2011, 01:45 PM #26
+1 Impero is brilliant for a replacement for RM tutor, it also has loads of other features like remote event viewer and remote command prompt etc. V useful for remote debugging as the command prompt is totally transparent to the user and they will have no idea you are using their pc :P (Unless you use shutdown.exe!)
Originally Posted by Hightower
16th May 2011, 01:57 PM #27
Papercut is great for printlogging, charging and limiting also which is another facility which you may need. PaperCut - print management software used by 30,000 organizations to control and quota printing they are also a forum sponser according to their banner ad.
16th May 2011, 01:59 PM #28
Impero does this too. I'm not trying to push Impero by the way hehe, just thought I'd mention it because we were going to initially invest in Papercut, but when we got Impero we realised we didn't need to.
Originally Posted by SYNACK
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16th May 2011, 02:11 PM #29
Cool wasn't sure if it did or not hence the additional suggestion.
Originally Posted by Hightower
16th May 2011, 02:49 PM #30
I may have misinterpreted this sentence as it is a little hard to read grammatically (Not implying anything) so as you can see it maybe that I have seen the "must not have the skills" I perceived this to be what you actually meant.
Originally Posted by irsprint84
My reply was not meant to antagonise but to give people another viewpoint.
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