Why not 2011 too many bugs??
Again it is the same old "people who use RM don't have the skills" well you couldn't be further from the truth young man, I have been an MCSE for 6 years now with a Degree in Computer science also with other professional qualifications to boot but chose the RM management system way back in 2002 when I took the decision to provide the best service for the school that I could.
As I was on my own I needed something which would allow me to quickly get clients and users up and running quickly so I could then concentrate on providing other services which schools at the time didn't have VLE, single integrated network, Remote Sims etc etc and this has gone from strength to strength.
I have no qualms about going Vanilla 2008R2 but find it not necessary at the moment unless as I have stated RM go bust or when their management software goes down the wrong route for the school.
All a Vanilla system would offer us at this moment is a lot more work. We have very quick log on times for the end users, they have remote desktops which works very quickly as staff are only too happy to tell me about and we have a multitude of open source services which integrate with our RMCC4 network.
It works for us and it has cost us very little by way of upgrade licenses and for the tools which we have at our disposal are well worth the money.
As for ongoing costs with RM we don't have any as we have no contracts with them we do all the work ourselves which is what we do with a Vanilla system.
It doesn't have to cost an arm and a leg to use RMs management software.
I dont know where you're implying I said that?? I was stating about people saying that they wished if they wanted to go back from vanilla to RM
Also before hardware RM licensing was 30k plus if I recall and if you look back at alot of my RM posts I stated that my prievous manager many times was alot better than I was and he was a RM guy, I prefer vanilla but never been draconic to RM.
As has been said in this thread and countless times before, it will always depend on the circumstances and what is best for the school after a thorough examination of the pros and cons.
We decided against going up to CC4 purely because in the times of limited budgets (We've seen some people here with smaller schools complaining that their budget has been cut - well our budget is 3-4x smaller still!) we'd like to eek out the very last bits of performance where possible. I'll be the first person to say that with limited knowledge, time/resources then RM are a fantastic ally. I've only worked with them for nearly 3 years but I've rarely had cause to complain.
bossman (16th May 2011)
Both solutions can be valid, hell if Macs can be a valid solution there is a very deep pool of possibilities but lets leave out the outlandish claims. I for one know that I never got my Unicorn despite my calls to customer service .
This thread is getting off topic though. The OP asked for advice on which tools to replace the ones currently provided by RM, not to ask for reasons on why he should stick with RM or go Vanilla.
The discussion that this is turning into has been had many times before, and it's always the same conclusion that is drawn from it. I just wish people wouldn't automatically link a "we're going vanilla" thread into an "RM bashing thread".
Back to OP: We're heading vanilla this year, and so far the only tool we have bought as a replacement is Impero. Other than that, we haven't really hit any "WE MUST HAVE THAT" bits that RM used to provide yet (and for you RM lovelies, please note I said "yet" - who's to say we might roll out in the summer and realise we'd completely forgot something).
Papercut is great for printlogging, charging and limiting also which is another facility which you may need. PaperCut - print management software used by 30,000 organizations to control and quota printing they are also a forum sponser according to their banner ad.
My reply was not meant to antagonise but to give people another viewpoint.
irsprint84 (16th May 2011)
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