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    Migrating form RM CC3 to vanilla win 2K3 & XP?

    Who has migrated away from CC3 and how did you make a compelling case for it? What tools did you use to replace all the features of CC3? How did you replace the maintenance contract and support that RM provides? I am kind of looking for an idiots guide.

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    Re: Migrating form RM CC3 to vanilla win 2K3 & XP?

    1/ Cost.. the licensing for CC3 is outragous

    2/ Flexability.. You do not need RM permission to add software

    3/ Any decent IT company can offer support... plus you can still keep RM support on a Vanilla network.. just the cost is reduces

    4/ CC3 features.. Rangersuite has the same ones, Plus it's also in the Vanilla network... but not as simple for a newbie as Ranger is

    5/ Cost savings..

    6/ Cost savings

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    Re: Migrating form RM CC3 to vanilla win 2K3 & XP?

    You do not need RM permission to add software; and Connect licenses are the only continuing cost - cheaper when you buy in bulk. CC3 isn't really that expensive.

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    Re: Migrating form RM CC3 to vanilla win 2K3 & XP?

    nicholab:
    Why do you want to migrate?
    From what i see on this forum Vanilla is the last thing you would want as most problems on this forum relate to this. I don't want to get into the RM versus Vanilla argument but surely it will cost you more to migrate from CC3 because you will have lost all the cost of the conect licenses plus any contracts you have outstanding.

    I have been running a CC3 network for 5 years now and have not come accross any problems that cannot be solved through using my skills and common sense. Granted some of the CC3 tools such as the station tidy do not work effectively so i wrote a logoff script and attached it to a gpo and it cleans all the profiles except the listed ones off the workstations simple.

    I do also think it could be that i only run win2k on all my servers as this seems to be fully sorted and seems to cause the least problems.

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    Re: Migrating form RM CC3 to vanilla win 2K3 & XP?

    1) Most of what you need is part of the vanilla operating system so why pay for it?
    2) You can use WSUS direct from MS to keep you network up to date with security patches. No more waiting for RM versions.
    3) Every time you add a machine it is a client license
    4) Everytime there is a major version release (such as Vista and Office 2k7) you are waiting for RM before you can adopt it. Therefore you can adopt at your pace, not theirs.
    5) There is a great forum of experienced people to help (it's called Edugeek) as well as any company that sports Microsoft Certified Partner or above (or school with MCSE for that matter).
    6) You have a choice of third party software for things that are not part of the standard operating system (such as classroom management or printer accounting). This means you can select what best fits your needs rather than having to conform to what is supported by RM.

    Need I go on? - Sorry but the REASON why there are so many posts on here about non RM systems is BECAUSE people no longer see the need for third party management software anymore - so there are more Vanilla Systems out there - hence the perception of more problems.

    Things have moved on since the NT days when the RM system provided something that almost no other solution could. Nowadays IMHO when a third party management products tries to do EVERYTHING it ends up being good at some things, medeocre at others and crap at the rest. Time moves on. A well designed vanilla network with trained technical people and good network policies is every bit as good as RM - better value for money - and far more agile when it comes to managing change.

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    Re: Migrating form RM CC3 to vanilla win 2K3 & XP?

    @Nicolab: There are good and bad reasons for CC3 ... there are some very good examples of how you can make it work for you (Russdev and Bossman are just two of them) but it has often been put in for the wrong decisions.

    As long as you are aware of the benefits and issues of both sides of the discussion then it is a fair arguement ... often you get a certain amount of FUD when people are talking about CC3 ... but think carefully about why you are moving away.

    Do you want to save money? Will the money saved just be in licences? Will you incur any extra costs (time of support staff, cost of specialist help or advice from MS experts / consultants)? Is this measured over 1, 3 or 5 years? Do you have outstanding support issues that you are trying to escape? Will you still have these issues with a vanliaa system?

    What benefits will you gain from moving to a vanilla system? How much time have you allocated to the migration? Have you a test environment to ensure that you can achieve everything you want with a vanilla system?

    Just a few questions to consider ...

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    Re: Migrating form RM CC3 to vanilla win 2K3 & XP?

    Quote Originally Posted by bossman
    From what i see on this forum Vanilla is the last thing you would want as most problems on this forum relate to this.
    You could say a similar thing about Connect on the RM Communities forum.
    Quote Originally Posted by adent
    You can use WSUS direct from MS to keep you network up to date with security patches. No more waiting for RM versions.
    You could deploy security updates on CC3 if you want. The only reason to wait for RM is so they can test the updates against their components.


    I can't see why you can't coexist vanilla clients on C3. Maybe you could transition from C3 clients to vanilla over time, then decomission the RM server services?

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    Re: Migrating form RM CC3 to vanilla win 2K3 & XP?

    I though that if you put vanilla machines onto a CC3 network then when you come in the next morning you'll find that the RM pixies that live in your servers will have come out to play and sprinkled magic pixie dust on them converting them to CC3 clients.

    Ben

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    Re: Migrating form RM CC3 to vanilla win 2K3 & XP?

    Quote Originally Posted by plexer
    he RM pixies that live in your servers will have come out to play and sprinkled magic pixie dust on them converting them to CC3 clients.
    ... then send you the invoice

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    Re: Migrating form RM CC3 to vanilla win 2K3 & XP?

    If you want vanilla clients on a CC3 system then you can set up OU's within AD that don't have the RM GPO's applied on them (make another root OU outside your 3 letter code OU) then you can play away with setting up your own system. obviously the default domain ones will still apply but RM don't mess too much with these. I have worked on both and not had any problems with either. RM makes your job simple as RM do all the testing for you, that is IF you follow their guidelines, a Vanilla system works fine and you can create a similar system with a bit of effort.

    Again agreeing with previous posts, look at why you want to migrate, is CC3 stopping you doing something? Have you talked to your RM sales rep if that is the case? The Sales rep helped me push the RM support when I wasn't getting much joy.

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