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    Quote Originally Posted by DrCheese View Post
    That's even more nonsense than what you accused me of.
    Firstly, I was saying it would take around a week or two to learn Vanilla AD/Windows networking, not building an entire network.
    What is building a network Vs "learn Vanilla AD/Windows networking"? Cripes! I've been at it a few years and I learn something new frighteningly often. Knowing AD/Windows networking like you know your times-tables isn't going tosolve your problems or find your solutions.
    Secondly I have no idea how you've come up with the 10 weeks idea to build a vanilla network at an average sized second school up to the level of a managed system.
    Hmm. Yer man, we'll be in and out. Fsck 'em.
    Now I know your trolling. 3/4 weeks just on group policy?
    Don't get me wrong, but your seriously taking the mick if you think building up a decent vanilla system takes as long as you are proclaiming.
    Group Policy isn't off the shelf - here is no M&S suit. It works for one place, it doesn't for another.
    Hmm.
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    Shayes...

    We were with CSE and now with Burconix. Have seen their software and are implementing it this year on our Admin network, just because it's user-friendly for the technicians and we now have a need for a deployment tool on that network as well.

    Burconix are very good to work with, I've found. Flexible, and certainly not 'clock watchers' when they're on site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyJF View Post
    Shayes...

    We were with CSE and now with Burconix. Have seen their software and are implementing it this year on our Admin network, just because it's user-friendly for the technicians and we now have a need for a deployment tool on that network as well.

    Burconix are very good to work with, I've found. Flexible, and certainly not 'clock watchers' when they're on site.
    Thanks for that. I was very impressed with the Burconix chap that came out and had a chat to us (Andy Burgess), he seemed to know his stuff. However his quote has come back more than RM's, but to be fair he has future proofed for at least 4 years which is something RM haven't managed to do. The final decision doesn't rest with me unfortunately.

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    Yes, Andy Burgess is my contact as well. In providing you with 'future-proofing' (as much as that is possible) he'd doing what's best for you, even if it does mean coming in a little more expensive. You perhaps need to discuss TCO with those who make decisions at your place. I have worked with Andy now for 10 years and he has never steered me wrong.

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    Now I know your trolling.
    "True knowledge exists in knowing that you know nothing."

    he has future proofed for at least 4 years
    I'm curious: In what sense? The only (not quite) 4 year anniversary I can think of is XP support stopping in April 2014, but in an ideal world a new system this year ought to be built on 2008 R2 to better support Windows 7, regardless of whether you still use XP for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PiqueABoo View Post
    I'm curious: In what sense? The only (not quite) 4 year anniversary I can think of is XP support stopping in April 2014, but in an ideal world a new system this year ought to be built on 2008 R2 to better support Windows 7, regardless of whether you still use XP for a while.
    Exactly, and if we stay with RM we can't have Server 2008 or 7/Vista.

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    Exactly, and if we stay with RM we can't have Server 2008 or 7/Vista.
    If you go CC4 do you not get 2008r2 and win 7?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shayes View Post
    Exactly, and if we stay with RM we can't have Server 2008 or 7/Vista.
    They are working on 2008 R2 at the moment, it's in development.

    CC4 SR2 brings Windows 7 support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsnetman View Post
    If you go CC4 do you not get 2008r2 and win 7?
    No, RM do not currently support Server 2008 in any capacity.

    You can have Windows 7 if you go to CC4, which we haven't got the funds to do. You can only have XP on CC3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shayes View Post
    No, RM do not currently support Server 2008 in any capacity.

    You can have Windows 7 if you go to CC4, which we haven't got the funds to do. You can only have XP on CC3.
    So, looks like Burconix is the only option for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edu-IT View Post
    So, looks like Burconix is the only option for you?
    My boss is swaying back towards RM now, just because it's less hassel and less money. I'd rather go with Burconix as I think it would save us more money in the long run.

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    RM are almost finished testing their software on server 2008. Im building my computers to Windows 7 this summer as part of CC4 SR2 whcih is being releaseed free to all schools. Any computers that have Vista/XP Assurance licenses are licensed for Windows 7.

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    Sorry, but I just fell off my chair with the 40K for CC3 ??? Wha !!!
    Id use that hard earned tax payers cash to get a new Technician and use a vanilla network.

    Sorry ... but this is a prime example of why managed services are being thrust on school.

    Shocked and stunned!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galway View Post
    Sorry, but I just fell off my chair with the 40K for CC3 ??? Wha !!!
    Id use that hard earned tax payers cash to get a new Technician and use a vanilla network.

    Sorry ... but this is a prime example of why managed services are being thrust on school.

    Shocked and stunned!
    Schools could probably afford to pay that under a Labour government, and I think RM are going to get a big shock when they realise schools don't have money to burn anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irsprint84 View Post
    CSE used to be with my school dont use their client software! urgh! but generally their server setups are good using Xen server etc.. but I ve found it easier being Vanilla and that was for months by myself because I can go to technet or many places for help instead of relying on one source
    Nooooooo sorry but I wouldn't touch them with barge pole. The installation at one of the Academies I was working with 18 months ago had to be ripped out. They went Vanilla in the end.

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