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    we used to have Winsuite here. I removed everything when i first started and rebuilt the lot from ground up.

    Treating kids like their dense doesn't help. Kids will learn what they need to learn to get to what they want to do. It's staff that hold them back.

    We have kids in Reception that can login. They have to type in their username and password and these are built using their firstname, first letter of their lastname and a number which is based on their age when they first started at this school.

    Admittedly not all of them can do it but it's good typing practise anyway. Get's them used to finding the letters on the keyboard and matching them up with actual letters (they have their logins on a name card that they take to the ICT room).

    Hope this helps.

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    You're right. treating the kids like they are daft doesn't help. Most kids use a computer at home. Theyw ill all use Windows when they get to Secondary, whether it be XP, Vista or 7. Winsuite really isn't doing them any favours. I might jus reinstall the server and accidentally lose the Winsuite set up cds

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianG View Post
    Thats the bit i was wondering. If the paths would / could be updated or whether it would need iradicating from the network completely before I could re-install.

    I had to install some software on the computers the other day, then spend half an hour putting the new sub menus into Winsuite, and the buttons and the locating the icons because the head wanted the correct icons next to the button.. aghh !!!
    Try something like netop that on a teachers pc loads fine from all user startup but if they close it it asks for the serial key when they use winsuite to start it i had to write a batch file to launch it. textease ct sometimes can be like this (come to think of it so can nelson handwriting font). it is really annoying when even though windows shortcut has an icon for programme x winsuite shows nowt

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    These are the differences that I am aware of

    Distributed File System replication support for SYSVOL,
    Advanced encryption,
    Last Interactive Logon information,
    Fine-grained password policies (Have not used this but could be very usefull)
    im sure all the 2008 courses ive been on says schema etc is identical (though they were all pre r2)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianG View Post
    You're right. treating the kids like they are daft doesn't help. Most kids use a computer at home. Theyw ill all use Windows when they get to Secondary, whether it be XP, Vista or 7. Winsuite really isn't doing them any favours. I might jus reinstall the server and accidentally lose the Winsuite set up cds
    easier to lose the liscence floppy or not spec a floppy drive n the server

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    Quote Originally Posted by sted View Post


    im sure all the 2008 courses ive been on says schema etc is identical (though they were all pre r2)
    Here is a table that illustrates the different functional levels.

    Windows Server 2008 Domain and Forest Functional Levels | Servers and Storage | TechRepublic.com

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    The whole point of WinSuite is to make managing your network easier. It was created in the days of teachers managing the network in their spare time, to allow them to apply Group Policies without knowing anything about Group Policies. As such it was a very useful tool but those days are now gone. As soon as it becomes harder to do manage the network with the tool than without it then it's time to stop using it. And since you say you've already turned off all the management options then it's pointless.

    As for the Winsuite Desktop - it's basically Windows 3.1. If Microsoft dropped that in 1995 (presumably because it's too difficult for users to navigate) then why is your Head still clinging to it? It's an absolute ****** to administer and dreadful for the end-user. Would he use FrontPage Express to design the school website?

    For kids who are already using computers (my 3 year old is) starting on Winsuite is like having to learn a completely new OS; for those who start on WinSuite and then move to proper Windows later on it's the same thing - he's disadvantaging both groups of kids for the sake of a whim.

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    Also take note of the following:

    Sales of winsuite are currently suspended pending an internal review of wether it's viable for the company to continue to support and I get the impression that the answer is likely to be that it will be terminated.

    It hasn't been actively developed since 2005.

    If you have a problem for instance if you install a new program and it doesn't work correctly with winsuite you are stuffed as they cannot provide support on that.

    Ben

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    Quote Originally Posted by plexer View Post
    Also take note of the following:

    Sales of winsuite are currently suspended pending an internal review of wether it's viable for the company to continue to support and I get the impression that the answer is likely to be that it will be terminated.

    It hasn't been actively developed since 2005.

    If you have a problem for instance if you install a new program and it doesn't work correctly with winsuite you are stuffed as they cannot provide support on that.

    Ben

    I wasn't aware of that. That's definately something that's going into my argument. I'm meeting with him today so I'll let you know how I get on

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    my thoughts

    although winsuite had good and bad points, i think this 'type' of software will emmerge once again, as the latest offerings from microsh@ft have been a waste of space as far as the user interface settings are concerned.
    The main use of winsuite that i saw, was using W98 clients connected to NT or 2K servers, and the desktop customisation, and control it gave. ( much easier than writing .policies)
    When winxp became the desktop connected to 2K3 server, then group policy was much better, but the user add feature was excellent for adding new domain users in a couple if clicks. ( i still use it )
    With microsh@fts new dictatorship approach to networks ( YOU WILL STOP USING THE BEST WAY AND ADOPT OUR ONE) i can see similar software appearing again. Though i seriously doubt i will ever be able to do 'as good' a job as i have achieved using xp, and server 2k3.

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    Now they have usernames, at least our kids will be able to spell their name by the time they leave us!

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    Well after a long chat he's decided that it would be best to get rid of Winsuite... WOOHOO !!!! This summer I'm giving it the boot out the door !!

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    Bit of a late response on this, but I too have inherited Winsuite from precessors inability to operate windows server. It seems someone tried writing some GPO's, but I can't for the life of me tell if they are actually active or not, as I just cannot get my head around Winsuite; a software suite that's undeveloped for over 5 years, no documentation, no support, and last I checked the developer no longer acknowledges it's existence on their own website!

    I cannot wait for the council to sort itself out, and decide when they will let me buy my new server, so I can rebuild the whole network from scratch, without that ancient bit of technology to get in the way.

    On a side note, anyone recommend a reasonable (aka, free, or at least not too expensive) management tool for adding domain users, and/or simple management of them? That's the one thing I don't look forward to, importing all the new users...

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    Quote Originally Posted by neilfisher View Post
    Bit of a late response on this, but I too have inherited Winsuite from precessors inability to operate windows server. It seems someone tried writing some GPO's, but I can't for the life of me tell if they are actually active or not, as I just cannot get my head around Winsuite; a software suite that's undeveloped for over 5 years, no documentation, no support, and last I checked the developer no longer acknowledges it's existence on their own website!

    I cannot wait for the council to sort itself out, and decide when they will let me buy my new server, so I can rebuild the whole network from scratch, without that ancient bit of technology to get in the way.

    On a side note, anyone recommend a reasonable (aka, free, or at least not too expensive) management tool for adding domain users, and/or simple management of them? That's the one thing I don't look forward to, importing all the new users...
    Funnily enough...

    Winsuite has a User Import Wizard that does a reasonably good job of importing users into AD. You just need a CSV file with your users details.

    Winsuite is not really that complicated to get your head around. It is however as you say old tecnology and not really relevant in a correctly setup AD Domain.

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