a grand for hardware migration?
I do wonder if RM have ever toyed with Acronis Enterprise with Universal Restore instead of BESR. Turns a day's work into a couple of hours.
RM Client Connect was an epic fail. I'm going to ride out the OS storm on XP until 2012/2013 and see what's out then. (someone's bound to produce something nice based on W7 by then!)
(and maybe funding from the government will have increased by then too...
Anyone for Smile?
NB: My examples are not meant to imply our Maths department are actually like this - it's just an off-hand example - they eventually piad up and got a newer version for XP IIRC
In some ways I do agree with you Chris that waiting 4 years is a worthwhile option as it gives you a better understanding of the different systems out there such as CSE, but it equally gives you time to develop your own in-house system. On the other hand with the planned budget cuts aimed at the education sector could put an obstacle in the path of any future network migrations!!
I support a Primary school which runs CC4 currently and I would agree that in our instance CC4 (disregarding the cost involved to migrate) is not (as Chris puts in) "mature" enough to move to.
Its pretty obvious that people have different opinions of RM and CSE/Vanilla networks and as previously stated its down to what works for their individual school. From what I can see, alot of people take a dislike to RM for legacy reasons, but also the cost implications of running an RM network.
I support 7 schools ranging from vanilla systems (in some cases designed and commissioned by myself and a colleague), RM Storebox, to CC3/4 networks. Based on the station numbers in my schools and the skill sets involved in the majority of them, I would not hesitate to recommend RM for its ease of use - lets be honest for general day-to-day tasks its very easy to administer - and costs aren't too bad for a small scale implementation.
This thought process changes however when I consider the secondary school which I work in. 4 DC's (Server 2k/2k3), approx 700 clients (Win XP) running on a CC3 network. For us to "upgrade" to CC4 then we are looking at a huge outlay which although we get a good system, to me is overpriced. Budgets for us are looking bad for this year and look even worse for the following year (who knows what they will be like in the years to follow), so for us we need to look at a system which will provide us with the nice features of CC3 and 4, but also give us updates and flexibility in the coming years to ensure that we have a system that is up to date and performs well. We have to make that decision soon as I feel by the time 2014 rolls up, CC3/Server 2003/XP is going to look very outdated, although I do admit it would probably still do everything we would require of it!!
it's funny how projects change from the initial "lets to do this" when you start getting quotes in! The costs of a new server, moving to Windows 7 and Server 2008, managed wireless and 72 fizzbook spins has come in very high! About £38K!
I'm seeing what you are saying Chucky, it'd be relitivly inexpensive to have RM come and in and replace the server and move the image over. Although not a very future facing option, it has its advantages.
I'm going to present the options to the governers and see what they say, as ever it comes down to money in the budget!
I must admit some of RM's prices didn't used to be that competitive but recently in both the server and workstation departments they've been able to beat just about everyone hands down. I've had some cracking deals especially on desktops from them which are giving stupidly high powered systems for less money than Acer/Dell/HP/Whiteboxes Built by your Heads Best Mates Cousin who can Work VCRs that are barely capable of word processing with Vista without curling up in a metal ball and crying into their mousemat.
I'm really disappointed and increasingly worried for what I'm reading here, and I wish I knew about this forums before.
We've been running RM 3.2 for a few years and this summer time we are getting the upgrade for CC4 (nearly June and still they haven't provide with installations dates!!). I knew that CC4 had problems when it was first released, and I thought it would now mature and in a good state to migrate to, but that's not the case, is it?
You guys that migrated from CC3 to CC4, any advice in increasing performance?
Thank you very much in advance.
It's really not all that bad as long as you've some decent hardware behind it. Anything more modern than a 2GHz P4 with at *least* 1GB of ram should be absolutely fine, and thankfully RAM isn't a hugely expensive commodity so a fairly cheap upgrade all round.
There's little else you can really do with it performance wise - obviously a decent network behind it will certainly help. Hopefully you'll have SR2 installed off-the-bat meaning you'll lose the RMGina login system which does add a bit of time - I've started removing this already from my SR1 networks and this has helped login time by quite a bit. However until everything's running solid state and PC's boot up in 1 second flat, people will never be happy Had one member of staff jokingly moan at me that the PC she was using was taking an age to start up. Had great delight in informing her that 1 minute from start to login and a further 10-15 seconds to full usability is hardly bad - especially when I'd just added another 2GB of ram the week before and it used to be well over twice that time, not that she noticed!
maestromasada (23rd May 2010)
Thanks for the tips Synaesthesia! our specs are not that bad, but will invest in ram just to be on the safe side.
I'm not a fan of CC3 / CC4 but in my opinion it makes a lot of sense to have that or something like it if you want to buy a solution from someone and use it pretty much "as is" without customising it. This can work well for a smaller org, or one with a small support team, where you want something that "just works" without a lot of bother.
If you start wanting to make changes and set up custom stuff that the people designing your "middleware" didn't anticipate then you can end up fighting against their stuff, and the value of having it rapidly changes.
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We are looking into CC4 but the costs seems quite huge!
CC4 is still very unstable. Its a good system to have if you don't mind having to rebuild stations every time a software core update is released, which is quite often. Everyone is waiting for update 85 to be released before rebuilding stations after installing SR2, but RM has not been telling anyone when they are going to release update 85, and have only just said it could be yet another 2 weeks away, leaving one week of holidays left. It does not make things easy when planning to update several schools. Even the main ATSS partners are complaining and saying stuff like they want to blow up the system with C4. RM Communities
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