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    We've now canceled the CC4 'upgrade'...

    RMs Vista looks like it needs another year of development before its a fully integrated school platform. Too many important features in the unproven 'todo' list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t4ll1f3r View Post
    Got the boot working off a usb stick for the machines without CD drives. Some of the older machines don't seem to know how to boot of the usb stick though. More work to be done there tomorrow.
    Sometimes on older machines it picks up USB memory sticks as hard drives, so if you look at your boot device order, you might find the memory stick listed as a hard drive. (Obviously turn the machine on with the memory stick inserted first) Simply place this ahead of your main HDD in the boot order, and it should boot from it fine. I have a lot of very old HP TC1100 tablets that I boot from USB like this.

    Mike.
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    Makes me glad im running vanilla to be honest reading that lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maniac View Post
    Sometimes on older machines it picks up USB memory sticks as hard drives, so if you look at your boot device order, you might find the memory stick listed as a hard drive. (Obviously turn the machine on with the memory stick inserted first) Simply place this ahead of your main HDD in the boot order, and it should boot from it fine. I have a lot of very old HP TC1100 tablets that I boot from USB like this.

    Mike.
    Thanks Mike

    I'll take a look on Monday.

    Having played with it a bit more now I think it is going to make my life easier over the summer.

    We are merging two schools together, 700 PC's 200 Laptops. 5 RM servers.

    Having got the machine build sorted on the majority of the machines we just have to do some work on the packages now.

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    Exclamation CC4 continued

    The USB sticks don't seem to want to boot on the older machines. Under any circumstances.

    They are being detected but fail when they try to boot.

    They are working fine on the newer PC's.

    3 Days traing started to day. Training being done by a Veteran RM guy who has been though all lines of support so knows his stuff. Which is good as a lot of things that should be working aren't.

    The Management Console is very slow, techies are working on the new release to speed things up ~Dec 08

    Package building tomorrow!

    I'll be back

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    Yes RMMC in cc4 has had its issues latest version i have seems to be lot better than it was.

    As for usb build keys did they work on cc3?? as I know some older machines bios can be awkward about usb keys so not such much a cc4 issue but bios issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by russdev View Post
    Yes RMMC in cc4 has had its issues latest version i have seems to be lot better than it was.
    Are you on 28?
    or has 29 been released?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theblacksheep View Post
    Are you on 28?
    or has 29 been released?
    28 at moment as 28 is not fully released yet.

    Russ

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    If some systems try to boot on USB but fail, try changing the USB speed in the BIOS to 'Full Speed' which is slower than High speed (!!!). This sometimes works but of course is slower.

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    USB - HDD not FDD

    They key with building from USB is that your BIOS detects the USB as a HDD and not a FDD. Our older (RM!) machines can only detect and boot from USB FDDs and not HDD therefore we were stuffed and had to open up each machine and plug in CD drives (booting from USB CD not an option either).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mburland View Post
    They key with building from USB is that your BIOS detects the USB as a HDD and not a FDD. Our older (RM!) machines can only detect and boot from USB FDDs and not HDD therefore we were stuffed and had to open up each machine and plug in CD drives (booting from USB CD not an option either).
    I understand RM are working on this. If you can boot it with a USB key to DOS and as a large drive (not a 1.44MB!), then you will be able to use that to install the CC4 files onto the hard disk. Then the PC can boot from the hard disk to WinPE. So if you have a USB key that will boot to DOS (eg USB-ZIP) it will work. However, it will take about 10 minutes to do it with the key left in, but you should only need to do it once per system.

    For some systems - e.g. MX46's, the *only* key that I can get to boot to DOS are the RM MiniSafe Pro 512MBs formatted as USB-ZIP (the 1GB ones I have do not work!).

    If you are desperate, ask RM if you can be a trial site.



    HTH

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    Totally honestly, I don’t like the way the ‘4’ logo is on top of the vista wallpaper all the time…

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    Honest CC4 Feedback?

    Honestly?

    The support staff are excellent.

    Unfortunately, the product is FUBAR. To put it bluntly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galway View Post
    Makes me glad im running vanilla to be honest reading that lot.

    Just out of interest what deployment method do you have in place?

    e.g. Ghost imaging, Microsoft RIS, Acronis *Cough* snap deploy?

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    Our CC4 experience has been far from perfect, the upgrade (from CC3) was performed by a RM Tech with little or no experience in CC4 which ultimately meant delays in it being installed successfully.
    While the RMMC has been upgraded to give it a new 'look and feel' the only real change has been in the addition of creating custom build disks (which can now be done through PXE) and in the use of 'filter lists' which act as a kind of search.
    Performance has been degraded dramatically and we have had to replace many of our old notebook PCs because they simply could not run CC4s additional software.
    Stability has been a big issue as well with the RMMC crashing regularly as well as security services on the client PCs causing them to reboot.
    Other server issues have caused the printers to fail on occasion as well as even the simple ability to change users passwords/disk space allocation.

    Personally CC4 is the Vista of RM so stick with CC3 for as long as it’s reasonable and hope that the bugs have been sorted out when you do switch.

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