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    Hi All,

    We currently have Ranger 5 and have not renewed our support contarct(so cannot ask them the question) as we intend to use group policies to lock down the workstations. Is it possible to to keep Ranger on so as to utilise all the other things it does well but leave all the policies alone. I have applied some group policies but Ranger does not play nice. Is Ranger all or nothing or is their some way I can configure it so all folder re-direction, desktop policies, user policies etc are handled by Server 2003. I appreciate any advice you can give.

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    I'm doing the same as you. Ranger and GP will work together. It took me a while to get them both working together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zorba View Post
    Hi All,

    We currently have Ranger 5 and have not renewed our support contarct(so cannot ask them the question) as we intend to use group policies to lock down the workstations. Is it possible to to keep Ranger on so as to utilise all the other things it does well but leave all the policies alone. I have applied some group policies but Ranger does not play nice. Is Ranger all or nothing or is their some way I can configure it so all folder re-direction, desktop policies, user policies etc are handled by Server 2003. I appreciate any advice you can give.
    Chuck it out, use a vanilla set up. It's much more easier in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyrite View Post
    I'm doing the same as you. Ranger and GP will work together. It took me a while to get them both working together.

    Hi Andy,

    Can you elaborate please. What exactly did you do? When I set up group policy to redirect the my documents folder there was no option in Ranger to tell it not to do this and there were conflicts. In the end I had to edit a Ranger config file. I do not want to keep making changes to config files so how did you achieve harmony between the two?

    Thanks

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    I left ranger alone and just setup GP as i wanted it. I did create a new folder with the start menus and desktops in. I used folder redirection for these. I set the redirection on the My documents to the users home drive.

    You shouldn't have to touch any of the ranger config to get this to work.

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    Have to agree with the above statement and remove Ranger completely. Have done this in the past with little problem.

    One method would be to create a new workstation without Ranger installed then set up your GPOs in AD and use the new workstation to test them. Once your new workstation works how you want, either uninstall ranger from your work stations and then add them to your new computer OU in AD or just go the whole hog and reimage your workstations.

    BTW which features of Ranger are you wanting to keep?

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    its almost certinaly possible to recreate all the bits you'd like to keep with other methods, what ranger does well is bring all the bits together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyrite View Post
    I'm doing the same as you. Ranger and GP will work together. It took me a while to get them both working together.

    Hi Andy,

    You said it took you a while to get them working together can you give more info. I definately had problems last time a tried this as both GP and Ranger seemed to be fighting to apply policies. Would you be willing to have a chat with me if I gave you a ring?

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    Yes you can do it, all you have to do is remove all of the users from every other Ranger Group except the Domain Users one.
    This group should not have been configured to use Ranger Security Options in Ranger the Configurator.

    No, there are no other programs that do everything that Ranger can do for free.
    The Ranger Security Monitor "Secmon" is patented and many have tried and failed. Why do think that RM bought them out!

    The LAN Ranger function is still quite unique and the overhead is quite respectable for what it can do.
    It's worth hanging onto just for that and the Ranger Migrate tool is still one of the best around for importing and creating user accounts and setting security en mass.

    I've been looking after school networks for the last 10 years and if there was a swiss army knife that could do it all, I would be using it.

    Just like stabilisers on kids bike, move them up until you find you don't need them anymore and you will be fine.
    Im sure that Ranger will be around for a while yet, out of all of the management overlays there are, this is one of the least intrusive and the easiest to remove.

    If you eventually do decide to remove Ranger from your network, do make sure that you uninstall Ranger from all of your clients before you remove it from the server, as it is quite a nightmare to clean up without one!

    When you think you have removed all of the clients, shutdown all of the services and keep it installed for a few weeks just in case there are a couple of strays that you missed.

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    Yes we did the same, just turn off all ranger settings and set up your GPO's. The only thing we miss is the title check and LAN ranger which was very handy but it's a small price to pay.

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    Thanks for all the input guys,
    gonna bite the bullet Easter break and get rid.

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    We got rid of Ranger a while back and the only real feature that came in handy which we haven't been able to easily replicate is the limit multiple logons.
    You should have a look ot LanView which is free from MST Software, deployable via group policy and has some great functionality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikW View Post
    We got rid of Ranger a while back and the only real feature that came in handy which we haven't been able to easily replicate is the limit multiple logons.
    You should have a look ot LanView which is free from MST Software, deployable via group policy and has some great functionality.

    Thanks for the link. Will have a look now at Pass Manager.

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