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    Insatlling a new network

    Are there any companies that will come in quote you for installing a new network based just on GPO's. So they will come in and do the whole migration. So like an RM CC3 just works 8O will a company do this with just standard tools or pro tools.

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    Re: Insatlling a new netwo

    Most specialists have some 'value added' tools. Some companies that spring to mind are Novus, Ramesys and CSE. The Novus guys were very nice to us at BETT and seemed rather clued up.

    Purely out of interest, why don't you want to do it yourself?

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    Re: Insatlling a new netwo

    I would also recommend Innovit.

    You could also look at 'Partners' of people like HP, or directly with Dell.

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    Re: Insatlling a new netwo

    http://www.class-technology.co.uk/

    I /think/ that's who we had come into rebuild our network after the origional network manager messed up and left. They had used to be the UK branch of Tulip computers but i /think/ there was some stuff to do with liquidation or something. I could very well be wrong so dont quote me on it!

    We had an engineer on site a few days a week and i must say the three techies we got through from them were awesome! Very helpful and did the job really well and also great guys to work with.

    Purely vanilla network. No managed nonsense. GPOs and MS solutions throughout aside from the web server (which was from elsewhere).

    The only thing i can fault them on was that there was only really one of them that liked the FOSS ideology and had a good opinion for the software etc.

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    Re: Insatlling a new netwo

    We use Precedence Technologies & Surftec. They work together & have some very good ideas.
    www.precedence.co.uk
    www.surftec.com
    The support we receive has always been excellent.

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    Re: Insatlling a new netwo

    Why not just go for CC3 then?

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    Re: Insatlling a new netwo

    or just DIY it using us lot for help as anything you can do I can do better (sorry im in a musical mode from my trip to London)

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    Re: Insatlling a new network

    I would do it my self but the NM would not and CC4 is round the conner. I what to try to make people stop and think just jump on the bandwagon.

    CC3 has issues you can not migrate the forest root rolls you need to shut down for 2 days.

    CC3 build process has problems custom drives don't always add properly and it takes 1/2 day to build a machine.

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    Re: Insatlling a new network

    Teksys are a Microsoft Gold partner so they will use GPOs unless you specify something else.

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    Re: Insatlling a new network

    We have no issues with CC3 and will probably be migrating to CC4 next year.

    The migration process... 2 days - is it really that much of a problem?

    Build process - every time we've added drivers it has worked flawlessly. Complete re-build (including installing software) of our CC3 machines takes about 2 hours. Restoring from image afterwards is less than 10mins.

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    Re: Insatlling a new network

    We might see that build speed in a brand new top of the range workstation. So that a complete build in 2.5 hours (restore image as well). A hand crafted work station take even longer. The other problem with remote restore is it can be knacker if it is not booting.

    I don't know how the two day is not a problem for you. Server restarts are bad enough it means that the full time staff have have issues doing there work. Supposedly we are having RM upgrading a who lot of things and there is going to be no network for a week!!

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    Re: Insatlling a new network

    Well yes I can understand older machines will take longer to copy files - no different network setup will speed that process up. But once you have a machine built you can take and restore local images.

    The issue of downtime is just one of those things. Schedule it in, speak with the people involved and find a time that suits the majority. Eg. we need 5 days' downtime (maximum) in October to move our servers which was arranged earlier this year as other holiday times weren't OK.

    Just to make it clear we have had half a day unschedule downtime on our MIS server due to a disk array failure; and another day downtime due to no power 8) At no other times have we had any unscheduled downtime

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    Re: Insatlling a new network

    5 days downtime! Since i started we havnt ever had 5hours downtime never mind 5 days (max). Infact i dont think we've ever had an hour.

    When we moved from 2000 to 2003 we did it here and there out of hours, causing 0 downtime to the users. Why RM expect you to manage without a network for 2-5days is beyond me, rather unprofessional imo when there is no need for it when using a free* vanilla setup.

    *obviously not free, but only the cost of licences.

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    Re: Insatlling a new network

    Quote Originally Posted by j17sparky
    5 days downtime! Since i started we havnt ever had 5hours downtime never mind 5 days (max). Infact i dont think we've ever had an hour.

    When we moved from 2000 to 2003 we did it here and there out of hours, causing 0 downtime to the users. Why RM expect you to manage without a network for 2-5days is beyond me, rather unprofessional imo when there is no need for it when using a free* vanilla setup.

    *obviously not free, but only the cost of licences.
    How do you cope, or are you refering to *unscheduled* downtime? I've hardly had any unscheduled downtime in the last few years, but I have had to have plenty of scheduled downtime.

    I can't move server racks and reconfigure the entire network without taking most things offline for example. Some changes will take serveral days no matter what you might want to do. I don't have any out of hours access to the site and still need most stuff running in the holidays so I tend to cope for the year and have lots turned off in the summer.

    There is a huge difference between simply going from 2000 to 2003 which can be done without downtime, but if its a migration from one distinct network to another then there is going to be some interuption.

    I'm not an RM fan but I don't think I would call it unprofessional, its simply a unavoidable interuption without an enterprise budget. If you have had no more than a few hours downtime, perhaps its because nothing with sufficiently big an impact has been changed?

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    Re: Insatlling a new network

    There forest root migration process works like this they image there server and then they more the image to the new server. They then upgrade the server to Windows 2003. For this they give it two days. We may not have enterprise budget but we should strive for and enterprise culture.

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