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    Why iPads are not for the Enterprise

    The Register has this article up commenting about how Microsoft has an excellent chance of storming the enterprise barricades with Windows 8 in tablet form: Seize your moment, Microsoft: iPad is RUBBISH for enterprise ? The Register

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    Oh gods yes, a manageable tablet is finally going to be the bridge between executives and IT departments and they will flood out across enterprise. Win8 RT will fail in the consumer space but full-fat x86 tablets will be massive - HP, after all, are only making x86 tablets. Eventually someone will work this out and start making cheaper x86 tablets, with Atoms rather than i5s, and on that day, we can properly start using them in schools.

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    Now, if someone could go and staple this article to the foreheads of SMTs up and down the country, it would be much appreciated.

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    The things is ... we have had manageable tablets before. It was Windows XP tablet edition and there were some really good projects, using kit from Toshiba amongst others, and one of the down sides was the limitations of the touch interface and OS, but the concepts are still pretty much the same.

    This really is nothing new!

    Perhaps folk should go back to those XP tablets and work out why they didn't get the take up that they could have and make sure the same mistakes are not made.

    Just saying.

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    My experience of a variety of XP tablets was that they were clunky, had cheap low spec CPU's, relatively low-res screens and the wireless integration of XP to networks was..well..let's just say 'not the best' due to the use of cheap onboard wireless chipsets and the lack of dedicated managed wireless to handle the traffic. Oh, did I mention that they were not exactly cheap either (strange because the internal components certainly were)?
    Yeah, it's not a new idea, but doing it right in the enterprise, is.
    I almost forgot to mention that more than a few required use of a stylus as well. And lets not talk about the on-screen keyboard.
    Hang on, I'll take off my rose tinted specs now and recall the cupboard full of them that I 'managed' because users disliked them so much. I'm rather looking forwards to Windows 8 on a tablet tablet after remembering all of that now

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumbleDook View Post
    This really is nothing new!

    Perhaps folk should go back to those XP tablets and work out why they didn't get the take up that they could have and make sure the same mistakes are not made.

    Just saying.
    Compaq and Toshiba made the first proper tablets and we purchased one of each, gave them to the IT Department and the ILT Co-ordinator to try out and keep if they found a use for them.

    Needless to say, after a month or so they came back to us as although they had fun playing games on them, they couldnt come up with any reason to use them in the College environment. They then sat on the shelf in our store room gathering dust.

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    The problem with the XP tablets was that XP was a keyboard'n'mouse OS attached to a touchscreen. Grumble about them if you will (and I do), but it took Apple to approach it from the other direction - sizing up a phone, not sizing down a PC. The invention of multi-touch capacitive screens was essential as well; how anyone ever managed on XP (with tiny UI targets) with a resistive (inaccurate) touchscreen I don't know. Probably because no-one did.

    Win8 is very clearly designed for touch first and foremost so should be much more useable than XP ever was. Plus Apple make a tablet so therefore they must be desirable, whereas before they were gimmicks for geeks.

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    Would anyone care to re-read the research or reports about Tablet PCs and make a comment on why they think Windows 8 would be any different than iPads?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumbleDook View Post
    Would anyone care to re-read the research or reports about Tablet PCs and make a comment on why they think Windows 8 would be any different than iPads?
    2 words. Active Directory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumbleDook View Post
    The things is ... we have had manageable tablets before. It was Windows XP tablet edition and there were some really good projects, using kit from Toshiba amongst others, and one of the down sides was the limitations of the touch interface and OS, but the concepts are still pretty much the same.

    This really is nothing new!

    Perhaps folk should go back to those XP tablets and work out why they didn't get the take up that they could have and make sure the same mistakes are not made.

    Just saying.
    They didn't succeed because they weren't suitable for the environment in terms of spec or usability. Sticking a touch screen on a desktop OS with low power expensive hardware does not a good tablet make.
    Granted, it has taken Apple to lead the way in driving the consumer tablet market forward, but iPads are not good enterprise devices and shouldn't be shoe horned into schools because Apple has done a good marketing job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dos_Box View Post
    2 words. Active Directory.
    Bingo!
    Also as the article suggests, decent productivity software.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dos_Box View Post
    2 words. Active Directory.
    This. Security configuration, application management more graceful than eight-dozen iTunes accounts, OS management and updates... they allow for a level of management and control, which has benefits beyond making IT happy - users won't have to worry about OS updates, for example, which is enough to panic some people still.

    Even Win8 RT isn't good enough in this regard.

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    Ok .. I'll rephrase / repeat the question and expand

    From previous research looking at Tablet devices in schools which aspects of *using* the device would be different when considering Windows8 over iPads? What limitations would there be from the choice of device based around the ideas of staff use, class use, 1:1 schemes? How is school infrastructure presently different to when use of previous Tablet PCs were introduced and can we learn anything from this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dos_Box View Post
    2 words. Active Directory.
    And how does that make a difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofsanta View Post
    Oh gods yes, a manageable tablet is finally going to be the bridge between executives and IT departments and they will flood out across enterprise. Win8 RT will fail in the consumer space but full-fat x86 tablets will be massive - HP, after all, are only making x86 tablets. Eventually someone will work this out and start making cheaper x86 tablets, with Atoms rather than i5s, and on that day, we can properly start using them in schools.
    I agree they already make these, like the hp slate 2, the dell Latiutde ST and the acer iconia w501. They are just waiting for Windows 8 as they are clumsy under 7. These don't have the largest cpus and so only have 5 hours of battery but they exist and work well. W8 dropped the CPU temp by 4 degrees celcious at idle. The newer ones will be better but its worth trying 8 on one of these to see what it was designed for. AD does one very special thing, make it manageable without half a dozen solutions and addons plus a bunch of hacks and endless wasted time along with new hardware and six monthly OS upgrades to keep on top of Apples gimmics.
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