mac_shinobi (17th July 2012)
School purchases the iPad, staff have a monthly sum deducted off their wage over the course of a year until it's paid back. Once it's paid back, they own the device outright. VAT / Tax side of things - *shrug* how they work all that out is the finance department... the only benefit is monthly repayments out of their wage. They don't get it any cheaper than anyone else in education purchasing direct from Apple.Can you elaborate a bit on how you do the staff purchase? Do they own the device? Is there a scheme? How do you avoid tax issues?
Well at the moment they do it online via ePortal, therefore, they just log onto ePortal from the iPad instead of their previous device.How do your staff write reports on their iPads?
QuickOffice HD, or Keynote, both of which can save & open PPT format (there are other choices out there also... basically, all common file formats are accounted for via various apps and can be produced to work across all platforms). Media - videos can be created in iMovie and exported to MP4. Images can be created in the plethora of image apps out there.How do they create media, or the MANY MANY powerpoints, on their iPads?
In some cases yes, in some cases no. That's down to the general IT ability of the individual.Do they need laptops/desktop to complement the iPads?
Depends on the individual and the specific task at hand for that individual. Some staff can work happily solely on their iPad / mobile device. Others prefer the more standard methods.I see it as iPads are a complement to existing services, they can no way replace what is already there. It is an extension though, and they are good at what they do.
pcstru (17th July 2012)
Who pays for the device when they get broken or break down? If it becomes a 'requirement' to complete their lessons does it become the schools responsibility to pay for the staff's devices?
Do they not mind typing on a screen? I find it really annoying, but I suppose I have grown up with keyboards and am able to touch type, which seems impossible on a screen.
Laptop + warranty + Windows, Office etc... + support costs (admit it, laptops have a much higher support requirement than desktops and tablets) and you'll easily surpass £604 over 3 years.
Indeed arguing about cost is daft. They differ for every establishments' individual implementation, eg: We don't use or need "Emerge" or VGA adapters.
If it's their device, they do. If it's the school's device, we do. We can get full spares and self-repair outside of warranty. Inside of warranty we take them to the AppleStore. We have a few spare iPads as well just in case. But as said, apps do create stuff in standard formats. Staff have access to and save to network shares. In case of emergency, there's nothing stopping them accessing the same resources via other methods / devices.Who pays for the device when they get broken or break down? If it becomes a 'requirement' to complete their lessons does it become the schools responsibility to pay for the staff's devices?
Down to the individual. We accomodate iPads for those who WANT TO USE THEM. We're not forcing them on people. It's their choice. If they choose to use one it's assumed they're happy with all the quirks. I can type just as quick on the iPad's screen as I can on my desktop keyboard. You simply get used to it thru continued use, same as with anything else. Some have gone out and bought their own bluetooth keyboard, that's their choice.Do they not mind typing on a screen? I find it really annoying, but I suppose I have grown up with keyboards and am able to touch type, which seems impossible on a screen.
Sorry, even with a replacement power supply, ess licencing we're still under £500 per laptop over 3 years.
Support costs is debatable, some we don't see at all, some we do. Depends very much on the end user. Its not something that was added to the raw ipad cost, so wasn't considered with the raw laptop cost.
Last edited by Theblacksheep; 17th July 2012 at 12:51 PM.
I think the main advantages of the tablets are classroom teaching (in front of kids).
They do School reports via the terminal server from home usually which can be virtually any device. Most of the time its their home computer.
For me it comes down to cost benefit analysis:
What is the learning outcome of the device?
What will it cost to support? (set up, maintenance, replacement etc)
This applies to everything we spend money on in school: laptops, cameras, pens, books, staff.....
If there's a benefit to learning outcomes, then we should facilitate it. I work in an infant school and my instinct is that touch interface devices will probably offer most benefit to our youngest pupils - not that there's nothing in it for older students, but the 3 year olds I work with struggle with a qwerty keyboard but can already use an iPhone when they arrive. Also, if we are trying to make our pupils "digitally literate" they should have access to as wide a range of technology as possible. We already have a child in school who uses an iPad as an "assistative communications device" - he has speech difficulties and it turns symbols and typing into speech in real time, allowing to take part in main stream lessons. Cost of iPad + App less than £500. Previous device with similar,but more limited functionality and heavier was over £2500 - again you need to know why you're buying it and work out whether it's good value for money. In this case, the iPad won hands down.
We should be aiming towards 1-2-1 availability of computing devices, but until that day comes, devices are going to need to be shared. I'm hoping that Win 8 tablets make that easier - I know it's do-able with iPads, but they're not designed to make it straightforward.
In general, making all of the unrelated operating systems play nicely is difficult - at the minute I think that will be overcome by using SaaS applications, so that everyone always has the same version of applications to work on (and should be much less hassle for me to manage) but that's some way off too.
I advised the client not to buy said devices, and to strongly consider going down the laptop route, which would double the provision... Needless to say, the above text suggests I was largely ignored. The client ended up with a device which was unresponsive, with a screen so pathetic, it made the device mostly unusable.
Anyway, the point I'm making is this - whilst the school had a vision of the future, they had in fact invested a large some of money in what were in affect a one trick pony... The one trick part being the aesthetics, which is where the ipad ties in.
I look forward to Microsoft releasing the Surface, as well as the offerings from Dell and the like... Interesting times a head.
Last edited by Mr_Jiminy; 20th July 2012 at 01:16 PM.
Have been trialing a W8 tablet in most of my schools for a while though, most are reasonably excited about it in the tablet form factor apart from the best funded but most near sighted of them.
Last edited by SYNACK; 20th July 2012 at 01:33 PM.
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Compaq Tablet PC TC1000 - North America/U.S. QuickSpecs
Sent a cold shiver down my spine when I google'd it.
with proper training of staff (that's the key bit), guidelines on usage for regular users and visitors then there's no reason why an environment which supports idevices in a relatively hands-off way needs to generate a tonne of support calls or take up a silly amount of time of ICT support (the proliferation of ruddy netbooks and wireless trolleys in schools would have been a far more disruptive and challenging to IT depts.'revolution'), after all it's not as if they have to build in a infrastructure or extend to another layer of AV servers, update servers, policy servers and all the other stuff which supports a windows infrastructure.
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